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>How does anyone think it's acceptable to [funcitonally] detain people

From the business perspective, provided they can get a way with it, it is just another business decision, namely reducing cost and increasing profit. I would do the same.



Alternatively, you could treat people like people and give them an actual measure of respect instead of stealing time and money from them.

But, frankly, literally every time without exception that I remember seeing you post, it's been a variation on the theme of "of course they shouldn't be decent, why should they, I shouldn't have to be decent either", so I'm going to pass on being surprised.


>Alternatively, you could treat people like people and give them an actual measure of respect instead of stealing time and money from them

Thats depends on what one value, if you think treat people like people is important then yes you should do it but if one value profit then doing what apple did make sense.


Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? Because you're condoning theft. It's not clever business practices, it's theft.


>Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account?

If I'm the one being stolen, of course but not if I'm the one who stole (again provided I will not be in trouble).

Provided they won't get in trouble, how is it not a clever business practice?


Because we have obligations to each other because we live in a society?

Because it's fucking wrong to do it?


Not everyone is agree with that. If everyone did that we wouldn't need police.


Is there anything you consider going too far at all? Murdering people to harvest organs?


>Is there anything you consider going too far at all

Yes, when the risk/cost outweigh the benefit.

>Murdering people to harvest organs?

Same thing, if benefit outweigh the cost then yes it will be done. Thats why murder is illegal, carry a severe punishment.


> it is just another business decision, namely reducing cost and increasing profit.

And effectively stealing from their employees.

> I would do the same.

You would steal from your employees too?


> You would steal from your employees too?

if the benefit > risk/cost then absolutely.


I hope that I never accidentally work for or do business with one of your companies, then.


Fair enough, I would do it as long as I can still find employee, in other words as long as I can get away with it.

Likewise, for Apple if their action is not costly enough, they will continue doing it.


I mean this guy is basically a good illustration of what we need to keep in mind when we make laws and regulations.


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All the buyers who choose to buy at cheaper prices from sellers who cut corners such as matz1 is saying enable the behavior. Sweatshops are common knowledge, yet everyone has no problem continuing to purchase garments from them at cheaper prices, not to mention the electronics, chemicals, and who knows what else we get from other places with even more lax oversight.

In some businesses, I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees since customers will simply buy from someone who will.


There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

https://marxist.ca/article/why-there-is-no-ethical-consumpti...

> I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees

So what? It's still abuse.


My point is it’s funny to see people call out others’ abuse of employees when the same people, the vast majority of the time, support the abusers by choosing to support their business.

The proper response needs to be political support for laws to protect all labor with harsh penalties, not waiting for certain groups to sue in court.


lets say hypothetically, nearly every farm worker was horribly abused.

Would people be hypocrites that shouldn't dare call out that injustice because they need to eat?

Acting like participation in a system is some kind of grave strike against protesting terrible aspects of the system is less than helpful, both logically and rhetorically.

It is pretty much the definition of tu quoque and a really lazy defence of the status quo


>Acting like participation in a system is some kind of grave strike against protesting terrible aspects of the system is less than helpful, both logically and rhetorically.

It is that participation that make it impossible for non abusive employers to compete and exist as a business. I know that there is no option in certain businesses, but even the ones where there is an option, it's obvious how price sensitive people are. Everyone decries abuse of employees, but, as reality shows, basically everyone will opt to save money and reward the businesses that import goods from places known to abuse employees. So what good is complaining about the abuse of a specific employer of its employees?

We like our cheap goods and services, that's why we don't have the political will to change the laws.


You are supposing the reason why things don't change is because people like cheap goods.

Where is the evidence that cheap goods require worker abuse? Or that the reason people don't oppose it is cheap goods?

Higher wages come out of profits in a competitive market, they don't automatically drive prices up.

I also doubt many people are out in the streets demanding the abolition of minimum wage so they can spend less at walmart.


How do I know which companies abuse employees and which dont? If I ask the staff, will they tell me? Why is the companies press office even allowed to lie to me about worker conditions without going to jail for fraud?

It's not always cheapest stuff either - apple product charge a premium and Foxconn employees are not treated well.


Grinding up babies into a fine powder might be profitable too, just another business decision,provided they can get away with it.


Yes its simply cost/benefit analysis.


So you would do the same?


I would not but I would not surprise if some people do. Thats why there is severe punishment for grinding baby.




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