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Or until both sides agree to bilaterally remove bans? Because unlike eyes, messaging can grow back.


Because this bully behavior breeds more bullies. It's a viscious cycle that typically ends with bloodshed. We should know better after two devastating world wars caused by the exact same mentality.

If you really think Trumps rhetorics will end with only messaging apps, you are short sighted and have short term historical memory


But if war is inevitable then better it occur sooner rather than later (as the CCP are becoming evermore powerful and aggressive). Imagine how much death could’ve been prevented if the world had stood up to Hitler earlier.

Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Taiwan, India, the millions of people suffering from severe drought as a result of Chinese Mekong River dams (Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam), the South China Sea conflicts, the Wuhan Virus, etc.

In an ideal world, the rest of the world would join Trump in isolating China through bans and tariffs.


In an ideal world us companies wouldn't move all operations to China since the 90s thus giving China the power they wield now. Corporation greed and uber-consumerism brought us here, not China. China's the symptom.


We (un)fortunately haven’t invented time travel.


People warned about this in the 90s. But the messages were ignored because of shiny products. Are you willing to think harder now given the prices we pay for not doing so?

Let's say China is the world biggest problem. The last few years Trump worked on destroying ties with US biggest allies thus weakening the coalition against China. Succumbing to his bully rhetoric while ignoring the amount of damage he did is dangerous.


Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba, Syria, Guatemala and the list goes on.

The US probably has caused a lot more death in foreign countries than China.


Best it occur under competent leadership, not those more towards incompetence and war mongering who will use the guise of the cost (monetary and life) of war to loot society even further.

I wrote this comment I'm pasting below (as to not waste it) because I could no longer post it as person deleted their comment, they seemed to have difficulty understanding that US behaviour wasn't akin to the CCP's behaviour:

Perhaps lesser of two evils argument is easier to grasp? There don't seem to be any reports of genocide being conducted against any populations in the US vs. the CCP with their concentration camps for million+ Uighurs - which the United Nations has accused the CCP of genocide at. There is freedom of speech in the US as well, and no mass censorship systems - so we can be more sure that this news would surface if it was happening - whereas because the CCP does have mass control-censorship systems, what comes out of it is more rare; "China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment" - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53650246

I am aware of Trump administration treating immigrants and people crossing the border badly, separating children from their families, etc. This would be an apples to orange comparison however, as the CCP is a longstanding tyrannical hierarchy, and Trump is a symptom of bad actors attempting to loot America for decades - leading to regulatory capture, a two party political system with spoiled politicians on both sides, etc. Trump's the wakeup call, amplified by the dangers of the pandemic not being handled well due to a wholly incompetent admin.

There is clearly a benefit to CCP having access to a global social network, let alone from the potential monetary value it has, it's also a source of potentially manipulating billions of people - or spying, limiting reach of those anti-CCP, and potentially at some point actually targeting those people online or even in person. This strategy is the Maoism and Nazi playbooks amplified and facilitated by current technology. They've also been making massive investments in developing countries in attempts to make economic footholds and have influence there; if someone can't see that they're attempting to spoil the bunch while maintaining lead control then they're blind or naive.

Fortunately India's leadership sees the danger and took steps to ban the apps. At minimum it's economic punishment for bad behaviour that isn't considered acceptable, it's notice that we're no longer going to allow them to participate in our economies nor benefit from them if they maintain this level of bad behaviour. We do have an addiction problem to low cost produced Chinese goods, primarily independent companies who moved operations there to compete at lower prices - thus forcing other companies to move operations there in order to compete, the solution being creating an artificial barrier to entry via import taxes so it's not cheaper; because there are external costs that haven't been being accounted for, in part that of giving economic power to a tyrannical organization like the CCP.


You know what would've stopped Hitler? If after WWI the winners weren't bent on humiliating and destroying Germany's economy, thus creating a perfect ground for anti democratic nationalistic regime that offered stability as opposed to the chaos democracy supposedly brought.


Well, the bigger concern for the world right now should be the US, and their vicious campaigns to undermine any sort of fight against global warming, the most pressing concern our civilization has ever faced. China is at least officially part of the Paris accord.

Not to mention, the ecological and humanitarian devastation that the US and its close allies have been causing around the world is probably even worse than China's horrible acts with the Uyghurs and Tibetans and in other places it is trying to dominate.


I have a trillion eyes. When I remember that, I can stop trading eyes for eyes, and be content with the eyes I already have.

There is one of me: Life.

And I am sick and tired of this self-mutilation.




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