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In a democratic country, if you want to change policy you need to get elected. If you are a civil servant, you can advise but if the elected decision makers decide otherwise you either execute the orders or you resign. Allowing someone who refused to execute legal orders and who publicly expressed dissent to be transferred in this situation is actually recognition that healthy debate is good and speaking out in a democracy should not be punished, particular when the dissenter is an otherwise extremely competent individual working in the best interests of the country. It's certainly not something an authoritarian would do. However, elections have consequences. In the elections in question, twice, a majority of the supposedly oppressed group, Indian Muslims, has voted for the current government. Unless of course you believe that female Muslims or those male Muslims who want to live in the 21st century shouldn't count.

The Supreme Court determined that as a general matter communications should not be restricted and that any ordinance to restrict communications needed to be on the basis of a determination that restrictions were needed that was reaffirmed periodically. The Supreme Court could have required the government to restore mobile access to Kashmir as of a specific date and the government would have been compelled to do so. They didn't, because the Supreme Court of India like most of the silent majority in India understands that a citizen's rights only exist so long as the State itself exists. All rights can be suspended in an emergency. A bill of rights is not a suicide pact.

The restrictions are not a restriction on any individual or group. They are a restriction on a geographic area. The majority of state citizens of Kashmir, certainly a majority of the residents and descendants of residents of Kashmir in the 1970s, today resides outside Kashmir. Most left due to terrorism. There are no restrictions on them, no matter their religion or political beliefs. Remember, there are areas in the US where no radio transmissions are allowed[1]. If you reside in Kashmir today, you are free to travel outside the state. If you do travel outside, you can use your mobile phone to your heart's content. If you aren't a resident of Kashmir and you travel to Kashmir, no matter your religion, ethnicity or other grouping, you can't use a mobile phone while there.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Q...



>because the Supreme Court of India like most of the silent majority in India understands that a citizen's rights only exist so long as the State itself exists.

There is basic structure doctrine, no? Otherwise why not just have Emergency again

> The majority of state citizens of Kashmir, certainly a majority of the residents and descendants of residents of Kashmir in the 1970s, today resides outside Kashmir. Most left due to terrorism.

Only Pandits are state subjects?


No, all Kashmiris are state subjects. However virtually all pandits, about 40% of the population in 1970 and about 35% of other Kashmiris have left the state and that is a majority. Kashmir, the state is a pretty big place. It’s not just the valley.


Now you're telling me Pandits went from 40% in 1970 to 5% before 1990? Did Dogras in Jammu become Pandits now? Are you talking about Ladakh being hived off?


Hmm. Only in BJP Math Classes 40% out of 100% is a Majority, & 60% rest are minority. Because 40% is Hindu, & 60% is non hindu. All citizens are equal, but every Hindu is more equal than non hindu.


40% + (35% * 60%) = 57.5% > 50%. Hence a majority. It's simple math.


As on 1990s, Jammu & Kashmir

Displaced Hindus = 6 Lakh [1]

Population = 78 Lakh [2]

Percentage: 7.69%

Sources:

[1] Wikipedia Exodus of Hindus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

[2] Wikipedia Historical Population of Kashmir, estimated in 1991 through religious organisations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(state)


what the fuck is wrong with you... https://www.thehindu.com/news/ldquo219-Kashmiri-Pandits-kill...

the hindu reports only 19 pandits were killed > A total number of 38,119 families comprising 1,42,042 Kashmiri migrants were registered with the Revenue and Relief Ministry till now.

where the fuck did you get the 6lakh figure from?

https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/right-wing-exaggerate...

this even mentions this exaggerated figure

> A total of 38,119 Kashmiri Pandit families were registered with the government, of which 24,202 migrated in January 1990.

4 persons per family is how much? 6lakh? 24202*4-600000???

are this this fucking dumb?


No worries, I know more swear words you ***†!! Read, learn to read. The sources are in my post.

I just wanted to be safe & took the highest from the range posted on Wikipedia. 5,98,000 rounded to 6 Lakh.

& Real the originals posts, the other guy is saying some 50% something people migrated. I was proving it's AT MOST only 7% you mf¥¥ker.


Sahi pakre hai, yes, true, for BJP, Only Hindus are state subjects, us others are just extra, cannon fodder.


No No, you are a Sikh, so you will have value when they need to show off that they are a pluralistic country to the west.

I mean the BJP government passed a law that said "we will allow citizenship for minorities who are of all religions, except Tibetans and Muslims" Then in the next breath talk about how this is not targeting a specific religion.

I really do hope people argue the case, because at least for external observers the hypocrisy is clear.


No, they said all people who are ALREADY here (on it before 2014) and were promised protection and citizenship at the time of partition will have that promise fulfilled. Everybody and people of all kinds get citizenship using the same rule as before, there are no bans or changes.


This is false and I am sure you are well aware of it. Please don't spread lies on HN to make it a platform for your political agenda.


All who are NOT Muslim. Its on I think 3rd page of the CAA bill.


You know, it's funny, then someone brings up Hazaras or Ahmedis and it's like that scene in Baadshah where the clock strikes 13:30 (not trying to invoke any baara baj gaye stereotypes by stealth sorry in advance)


> In the elections in question, twice, a majority of the supposedly oppressed group, Indian Muslims, has voted for the current government.

Not disbelieving but I want to see a non-partisan citation.

BTW the polling rate of these elections were around 50%. The remaining 50% didn't agree to vote for any of them.


Did they stop registering SIMs to Aadhaar card number? You're telling me they can't track Kashmiri SIMs outside of J & K?


I look forward to the "Gulmarg Quiet Zone" around the observatory there so rest of Kashmir can have 4G again.




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