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It's stories like this --gov't makes out of court settlements and vaccine retracted-- that give a lot of credibility to those against/ hesitant towards vaccination.

I'm in a low-risk group and see no use in getting vaccinated, especially since herd immunity is off the table and nearby ICUs are not overflowing. The media/pharma/politicians/bigtech are all passing out the same message: get the vaccine. Non of them highlight that there are good reasons not to. So much for informed consent?

Why all the hate against people being cautious?



You might want to reevaluate your definition of low risk thanks to the delta variant.

My wife is a pediatric ER doctor (but because the adult ER is so swamped with COVID patients they're now seeing all patients up to 25), during the first few waves of COVID, she saw almost no severe cases in children and young adults. There were plenty of kids who came in with COVID, but she didn't admit a single otherwise healthy kid or young adult because of COVID.

In the last week, she's admitted 3 17 year olds to the PICU, and they've admitted many more than that to the floor for treatment.

>It's stories like this --gov't makes out of court settlements and vaccine retracted-- that give a lot of credibility to those against/ hesitant towards vaccination.

We have now administered billions of doses of MRNA vaccines. The safety profiles are more well known than a large percentage of drugs on the market that most people would take without a moment's hesitation.

Historically vaccines have been taken off the market b/c of issues that were too uncommon to show up in trials, which consist of only a few thousand or tens of thousands of people. The side effects were so rare that they only showed up once millions of people started taking them.

There has never been a vaccine that was pulled off the market for a side effect that took a year to show up.


Because in places where lots of people think like you, the ICUs are overflowing?

I also think you underestimate how ANGRY people are that they spent 18 months in lockdown, only to have some anti-vaxers mess things up at the end. By this point, we shouldn't be talking about which areas do/don't have overflowing ICUs, we should be talking about which areas have hit milestones for number of days without a positive case!


What makes those angry people who have been in lockdown for so long think that taking the vaccine will allow us go back to normal? See these articles: https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-14-israelis-who-got-3rd-sho... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-21/science-c...


> "Limited data not enough to draw conclusions"

Media fearmongering about Delta doesn't change anything. The reality is that places which have very high vaccination rates have been able to return much more to normal. And all evidence points to the more people get vaccinated, the sooner things will return entirely to normal


Keen to see some proof of that?


To my best knowledge anti-vaxxer did not mess things up, govt+pharma promissed did. They start with: just a few weak to ease the curve, never a vax passport, vaccines create herd immunity and we can kick covids ass.

Now where we are: long lockdowns, talks of vax passports everywhere, no herd immunity, covid is here to stay with us (due to animal reservoirs), no overflowing ICUs but still gov'ts reigning with wartime-like superpowers.

The fearful/obedient have their vaccine, those who did not will not. Some died, most live. This is no spanish flu. So what was the problem again?




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