Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

I wonder what kind of talent they will be able to hire, paying the usual European taxed peanuts.


People choose to live in Europe for reasons other than money. Things money can't buy.


They can give out stock? Being taken for a ride is being taken for a ride.


Basal capitalistic view. What's the most beautiful city you've ever visited and why?


Fun fact: There are 17 European countries that rank higher than the US in the Index of Economic Freedom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom


a beautiful retirement home is still a retirement home.

you either grow your own economy or become a vassal to someone else who does.

if europe keeps stagnating and america keeps posting 4% gdp growth, a day will come when the EU can pass as many laws as they like and it won't matter. it'll be like some shitpoor latin american country against united fruit.


"economy" is a meme - both china and the EU realized that this anglo-american system has its weaknesses which can be exploited

The Chinese did it by just taking all the IP they could get as a requirement to sell in their nation

The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax)

The capitalistic system is an addict to access to markets. Governments setup their various Guardrails to ensure that it can't entirely (i lack a nice word for this verb) their society and peoples.


> The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax)

This works only because EU is a relatively big and wealthy economy. If, say, Chile or Botswana tried to do the same, US companies would be like “lol, bye”. If, or when the Europe becomes just as poor as these relative to US, the incentive for US companies to stay in Europe and pay these ridiculous fines, will simply not be there, and so they will leave.

Thus, if Europe’s strategy is to impose more and more strict regulations and taxes on US companies, it must return to growing in wealth in power. Otherwise, this strategy will backfire: not only Europe will stay poor, but also the highly productive companies will exit it.


>stay poor

Have californians started thinking of Europe as poor?


the poorest american state is still richer in per capita terms than france or germany. europe is poor and getting poorer, relative to america.


Yet the life expectancy in most EU countries is much higher than in America. Wealth isn't the only relevant metric.

[1]: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy#differences-in-li...


Yes, the Americans are not as effective at war on drugs as Europeans, which is why we have very high rates of death from overdoes, which is the main driver of low life expectancy.


they're dying sooner because of diseases of ... affluence.

and we can expect the new weight loss drugs to make a noticeable dent in that (at the cost of who-knows-what side effects, but they can't be as big a killer as obesity)


I have a bridge to sell you... Unfortunately, it is likely those medicines will drive the next wave of chronic disease.


china is the world's factory, arabs have oil. what does europe make?

the way things are going, there will eventually be an american company with a market cap greater than the GDP of France or Germany. at that point, they'll be making the real rules.


Europe makes for the largest, wealthiest single market in the world, the world's biggest importer and the world's biggest exporter.

There's a lot of power in that.


not even close.

USA GDP: $26.8 trillion

EU GDP: $17.1 trillion


Problem is, most of that US GDP is going to a few billionaires.

There's a massive impoverished underclass in the US, who are not going to be able to drive much consumption.

GDP is an incredibly reductive measure.


every country has an underclass. there is no rigorously defensible way to say that americans are poorer than europeans. none whatsoever.


Every country has an underclass, the US one is just much bigger proportionally compared to the US one.

This map speaks volumes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq...


Do we know they're paying peanuts as salary at this point? There are a lot of companies in Europe who will pay engineers 200k+ EUR and beyond, however admittedly nearly all are US companies or very closely connected to the US capital markets


this blurs further with UK leaving Europe. Berlin doesn't pay much. And what's left then? Paris? Or Stockholm Sweden? Even the CxO's there don't make much more than 200K


Berlin pays the most in EU.


I thought Dublin did, actually.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: