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2GB RAM for idling isn't what I would call "not that much memory" :)


2G is what Teams uses idle on my client PC which is much more constrained on memory than my server(s) that have in the order of 64-512G.

If you're hosting things for internal consumption it's a generally good rule to put the memory burden on the server if you can.


I don't think anyone in their sane mind considers Teams (or anything electron-based, really) a model of adequate resource usage :)

And I'm thrilled that you can afford $100-$600 a month of server costs to run jisti, but I'm willing to bet that you are not a majority.


> I don't think anyone in their sane mind considers Teams (or anything electron-based, really) a model of adequate resource usage :)

That's fair

> And I'm thrilled that you can afford $100-$600 a month of server costs to run jisti, but I'm willing to bet that you are not a majority.

Stop hosting everything on Amazon, it's a total rip-off for raw compute.

64GiB of ram shouldn't be costing you more than $50/m (for some kind of colo like Hetzner)

2GiB of ram should probably be closer to $10 for a single VM instance with someone like Tilaa or Vultr (after tax)

Meaning one you start hitting 8GiB of total consumption for all your services it's cheaper to make the leap to 64GiB of ram and go with a colo.


speaking from experience, forking out $50/Mo for a colo to self-host a communication platform really starts to get old when everyone's first question is "why don't we just use Discord"

I guess it can make sense if you're a business. But then the question is always "why don't we just use Teams"


It will always be cheaper to buy $1 if it's being sold for $0.30;

The trick as a business owner is:

* Will I be able to use this service until they rug pull?

* Will they exist for the life of my project?

* How painful will they make switching.

Paying $50/m for complete ownership of your video platform is not only comically low it's almost absurd. I pay more than that for SaaS tools like Fellow or Bonus.ly; that's before you start talking about Asana or Figma or the myriad of other tools.

That something is cheap is not an excuse, jitsi is very easy to use and easy to host. Though I will recommend going with 8x8 simply because it helps fund development and people are terrified of actually owning anything these days (because they said they didn't like sysadmins and now ops skills are worth spending 11x more for a service to not have in your company, which is another topic entirely).


You are off by a factor of 10 on your lower bound. A server capable of running Jitsi can be had for around 10$/month: https://www.kimsufi.com/en-gb/vps/.


I use about 48gb of memory hosting 34 distinct apps including AI stuff, stuff moves hundreds of gigs of data a day and so on.

2gb idle is disqualifyingly high ram usage.


2 GiB amortised across your entire user-base is nothing.

I'm used to running things like confluence and jira that consume as much as 140GiBs for a production.

Mattermost also uses something in the realm of 10G for anything you would consider a reasonable number of people.

This is like arguing household budgets when discussing business expenses.

Clearing $1k on the company is fine, but would be unpaletable at home.

If you can't stomach the cost then that's fine, but it is an appropriate trade-off to put the bulk of the memory burden on the server.


That's idle usage. Not per user scale.

For reference, the last conferencing solution I ran was about 512mb at 10 users unless TURN relay was happening.

JIRA is one of the worst performing and slowest applications in the world. "Waiting for JIRA" was literally a running joke at my last job.

That some software is especially subpar is not an excuse for other software to perform a bit poorly.


OK, like-for-like, what's the current webRTC solution you can self host that has less memory requirements?

I'd buy this much more if there was something to compare with (with admittedly much less features or QoL; like MediaWiki vs Confluence or RT vs Jira).


This is a prehistoric take on memory. RAM is cheap!


640MiB ought to be enough for anyone ;)


I mean, I get the reference, but this amount of upscaling has a measurable cost in the real world, in this day and age (a small simulation from EC2's price calculator brings it from $40 to $80 a month if you go e.g. from t2.medium to t2.large).

I don't want to sound mean or unappreciative of jitsi developers' efforts, just highlighting that this kind of resource needs might put it out of reach of many potential users.


It was 640KB...




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