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True. "While" for some large value of time. And if you set up the auto-vacuumer correctly from the start, you can go even further!


Unpopular opinion: if you're skimping on ops/DBA resources (as you may need to do in a startup), then MySQL is a better default. By all means use postgres if your use case demands it, but personally I find the ops story for MySQL takes less engineering overhead.


Yes, and most successful companies who started in the last ~20 years started ( and many continue ) with a monolith and a MySQL database.

Only the mega-cap ones started to pursue other options mostly due to their type of business and bucket-loads of "free" VC money with explicit orders to burn it and get "unicorn" status - which involves hiring thousands of developers in record time and the whole thing turns into a zoo. Which is an organizational problem, mostly not a tech one.

Other than the ones we pretend are the whole Universe, there are thousands and thousands of medium to big companies with billions of revenue who started their product with a monolith and a MySQL database and many still do just that.


I agree with this "unpopular opinion". Worked with both MySQL and postgres based mid-scale apps of several thousands of users. Postgres is so deeply lauded here at HN yet requires two more magnitudes of operations work to keep it up and running. Vacuuming sucks hard.


That's not wrong, but postgres allows for cramming a lot of functionality in the db, and it's fast at following storage trend, i.e. with pgvector


That is a very specific use case, and might only be a small subset of your actual data. If you don't have these specific requirements (eg. CRUD apps), you can save yourself a lot of unnecessary headaches by defaulting to MySQL.

My main point is attempting to counter the narrative popular on HN that postgres should be an automatic default. For sure there are many aspects in which postgres is superior, I absolutely do not debate that, especially when it comes to developer experience. But there is much more to it than that when it comes to delivering business value. That's where ops and DBA concerns start to matter, and IMO MySQL is so far ahead in this regard that it outweighs all the other hideous warts of working with it, when you consider the bigger picture of the business as a whole.


Yes! Vanilla MySQL and a good ORM (peewee, anyone?) gets you extremely far.




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