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Interesting! Can you share any insight into how your ML algorithm works?


Hi 4thstreet, thanks for your question! Yes, we train on 2D-3D pairs. For example, we have 3D models and then we take images of them so we learn how objects look from different points of view :)


But doesn't this limit you? I mean the work here to collect the data is such a pain. While glad that you are doing this, is there any other method?

Also, what are your thoughts on systems like Apple's object Capture?


It might not be as hard as you think. Get 1,000 3D models, 8 rotations for each model and 1,000 scenes. Suddenly you have 8M training pairs.


Hi! If I understand correctly, you're working for a foreign company but living in the UK and hoping to go on UK payroll?

We support UK payroll, but there's a few other hoops your company may have to jump through in order to employ you in the UK.

Things to be aware of are whether your work in the UK will trigger "permanent establishment", which could have corporation tax implications for your company.

If your employer has a UK entity we can support them, but if not you might want to suggest a Employer of Record setup to which will abstract away a lot of compliance headaches for your company (e.g. https://www.letsdeel.com/ , https://www.boundlesshq.com/ , https://remote.com/)

Hope that helps!


Thanks so much for the pointers, super helpful!

May I know what is the implication of not going UK payroll, i.e. earning foreign income? I might go for submitting an annual self assessment on my foreign income if there is no huge downside. Also definitely looking into "permanent establishment". The EOR suggestions are very helpful!


For the all-in-one HR & payroll product, we're targeting startups in the 0-50 person range. Part of that is pragmatism: as a young company smaller startups tend to be discerning early adopters who we can easily relate to as a small startup ourselves.

Initially we did wonder if we could sell it back to Monzo, but I think that's a way off - supplier onboarding requirements alone make it hard for a new player to sell to a large company (especially banks, which typically are demanding with supplier onboarding).

Thanks for the thoughts on the API!


That sounds good and perfectly sensible. All the best & I’ll follow your progress with interest.


The API is something we're exploring alongside the all-in-one HR & payroll product.

With the API you get much higher volumes for a lower price. It's mice vs. whales! See here for what I'm on about: http://christophjanz.blogspot.com/2019/04/five-years-later-f...

As far as how well financially one model turns out to be vs the other, I think a lot of that depends on market size. I do wonder how big the market is for a payroll API. Though we've come across some interesting applications (employer of record companies, accounting firms, hr products etc).

The cool thing that I've always liked about API businesses, is that it's like building really fertile ground for new things to arise that don't even exist yet.

Interesting to think about what new modals could bloom over a fully-featured payroll API


Interesting to hear your experience, thanks!


I really like the product Pento are building, interested to hear how robust the HR syncing proves to be. Sounds like it's going well for you?


No way, and now I can't edit it haha

I really should turn that off...


Aw thanks - hearing that makes me disproportionately happy :D Was inspired by https://pry.co/, so props to them!


nice one, hopefully we can help you out one day :)


just noticed your username :D thank you for the kind words!


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