If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing

It seems a lot of reddit communities are starting to block xitter as it's painful to use now without an account. Should HN do the same?

The main reason all the subs made this change today is because of the elon nazi salute, not the fact that twitter is hostile to unauthenticated user agents.

> not the fact that twitter is hostile to unauthenticated user agents.

Yep, Twitter has had aggressive authentication gating for almost 2yrs now and HN frequently has Twitter links

HN often has twitter links when this is the primary source; in that case in comments there are usually links to mirrors or threadreader.

Here twitter is not the main source, there are better ones (both better quality and more user friendly).

I would like a rule to avoid submissions that are login walled unless this is the primary source and an open mirror is available.

I've been on HN since the very beginning and the solution has always been simple: if the post is auth/pay-walled then post archive links or copy paste the text in comments.

I get why there's noise about banning X suddenly but lets not pretend it's for sudden technical/UX concerns. No one is calling for NYT, WSJ, or WaPo submissions to be avoided. Twitter had auth gating for many years before Elon.

That’s my point; like I said:

> I would like a rule to avoid submissions that are login walled unless this is the primary source and an open mirror is available.

Twitter had auth gating but also mirrors; now Nitter is discontinued.

Fair enough. For the record I despise how bad twitters gating is :/

Am I remembering correctly that when Elon first took over, he took that gate down because of his whole free speech thing. I'm guessing they re-instated it as soon as it hit the bottom line. Makes me wonder if government should still rely on it for comms.

Wasn't it because of extensive scraping?

One of the first things Twitter did post Elon was remove sign in gating then I guess the bankers pressed Elon and it went back up. Can't always do everything you want in business, I guess. Bills come first.

I think it was removed by geohot when he was in the house, but then reinstated after a while. I remember him railing against it.

It's an interesting thing to see happen. In seconds, people snapped it and flooded the internet with it. But nothing will happen, because doing a "nazi salute" on accident means nothing.

Yeah, I thought it was interesting that nobody really questioned the relevance of intent over appearance.

If doing a nazi salute isn't sad enough, failing to reclaim it is even sadder

Nah. I just wanted to see a source I trusted to be legitimate before sharing a sensational story.

What far left sources do you consider “trusted”?

I don't think this is responsive to my comment. I'm happy to trust reporting from NYT, Reuters, AP, WSJ, Wapo, Bloomberg, major regional newspapers... it's not a super high or politicized bar. Just something other than "a single twitter account."

True looking nonsense floats to the top of HN semi-regularly; it's not a good enough metric.

No. Let us decide how we want to handle it. Most of us could handle it ourselves through scripts and extensions if it really bothered us anyway.

Of course not, the tweet here is _the_ original source for that news

>it's painful to use now without an account.

Now??? Its been just as painful to use without an account for around 10 years now.

No, it's worse now.

Back in 2017, I could still read public profiles, their tweets, and look at the replies, all without logging in.

Now I can't even look at an account page without logging in.

> told to expect to be brutalized in prison by the other prisoners and guards

How horrific. I don't understand why the people of the US accept this.

I'm in the same boat, got a battery replacement last year and am struggling to justify the expense but the satellite piece + AI integration may clinch it

US consumerism on full display

Workaround + update (within a authenticated portal)

https://www.reddit.com/r/crowdstrike/comments/1e6vmkf/bsod_e...

I don't understand how "Roaring Kitty" is illegally manipulating the market.

What has he done / is he doing that's illegal? Can no one post on social media that they are interested in a stock?

He hasn't done anything illegal. He posts his positions after the market closes and he's talked about his thesis for years now.

We're all just getting front row seats to the show.

Does his thesis still hold true? His thesis was when gme was worth way less.

Correct. Because he's famous, and because he's profiting off of influencing people's behavior.

This is called a pump and dump scam, and is fraud. It hurts real people. It's why the regulatory framework exists, to protect naive investors from predatory ones, and ensure that misconduct doesn't overwhelm the valuable functions of the market.

An old adage used to describe the law in this context: "you can be a pig, but don't be a hog".

How does this adage describe the law? Where is the deception and fraud explicitly? Where are the non-verifable claims made? Where is the dump?

He has explained his thesis hundreds of times in public, he's following thru with that thesis, there's no surprise or rugpull.

If one can't influence the price of stock due to "fame" or "influence" in and of itself, doesn't this put public.com in extraordinarily hot water [1] ? What about Unusual Whales, Quiver Quant?

1 - https://news.crunchbase.com/venture/meet-public-com-the-soci...

In the past, he had call options that he could've sold for profit but instead he exercised them to get even more GME stock. It's literally the opposite of dumping.

The whales manipulate markets much more than anything Keith Gill has done.

Where is the dump? Last time he held the shares for a very, very long time.

> This is called a pump and dump scam

It isn’t a pump and dump if he isn’t lying about it to pump it up (talking about your own actual position or the fundamentals isn’t “pumping”) and if he isn’t dumping it (“diamond hands” is sort of his thing)

How is it a pump and dump? He doesn't need anyone to do anything.

He has the position and the funds to make the play himself.

That's... not at all true. There's no insider connection required for a pump-and-dump to be considered fraud. Maybe you're confusing it with "insider trading", which is a different thing.

> actively manipulating their users into unhealthy levels of engagement

Which is the root issue here, why don't we ban online advertising as a business model or significantly tax it to create a cost of x engagement

Do you have a non-twitter link?

From the text of the bill[0]:

  (B) EXCLUSION.—The term “covered company” does not include an entity that operates a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application whose primary purpose is to allow users to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.

[0]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...

Yep, this, they've been so anti-consumer for so long.