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google, Microsoft etc :p


so I get down modded for giving examples.... I know its not cool to moan about down modding but at least people could give a reason.


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Would you please stop filling up comment threads with this kind of thing?


how about you just delete my account Paul. I am done posing and joining in here so no lose to anyone.


I'm new here, so not familiar with the history, but dude: Google grew from the two founders' PhD work in computer science, and Bill Gates is widely known for his technical brilliance and depth of technical knowledge. So unless there is some confusion on the context of your comment, your examples are just incorrect.


sorry had to correct this.

I was replying to this

I'm struggling to give some examples. I don't know if either of lastminute.com's founders were coders.

so google and MS are perfectly valid answers.

Anyway laters folks.


I think news.yc needs a search.

Heres some we added 3 days ago :p

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=135185


google: books site:http://news.ycombinator.com


Steven Levy is great, I would add his Crypto book as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Analysis

Different kind of security, but I'll check it out.


I like the look of some of these products that MS are working on but there is noway I am going to touch them until they become offical 1.1 releases.


is there any video of the presentations?

on paper some of these seem like hacker projects not startups so I would love to see how they see value in these startups.


This is natural when you abide by "release early and iterate." Most of the companies 11 weeks old. When you release, you haven't yet implemented your entire vision. That takes much more time to develop internally and become obvious to outsiders. But the founders know that the first release is just the tip of the iceberg.


There is pretty much not a single startup in this session that isn't directly attacking a large market or has plans to expand into a market orders of magnitude larger.

There isn't any video. If you're curious about one in particular, contact them. They're all stand up folks.


what percentage of breakout success storieson the Internet did NOT start as hacker projects? Facebook, google, yahoo, etc. All started that way.


As counterpoints, myspace, flickr, and digg were not hacker projects.

edit: removed google from the above list.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google

Hacker project:

"Google began in January 1996 as a research project by Larry Page, a Ph.D. student at Stanford.[1] In search for a dissertation theme, Page decided to explore the mathematical properties of the World Wide Web, understanding its link structure as a huge graph.[2] His supervisor Terry Winograd agreed and Page focused on the problem of finding out which web pages link to a given page, considering the number and nature of such backlinks to be valuable information about that page (with the role of citations in academic publishing in mind).[2] In his research project, nicknamed "BackRub", he was soon joined by Sergey Brin, a fellow Stanford Ph.D. student and close friend, whom he had first met in the summer of 1995 in a group of potential new students which Brin had volunteered to show around the campus.[2]"


Flickr was sort of a hacker project, in that like Blogger it was a side project of a group who thought they were working on something else.


It depends on how you define a hacker project. That is a fair characterization if you say that a hacker project is something that doesn't come out of a normal business process, regardless of the corporate structure that surrounds the people hacking away on it.


"... is there any video of the presentations? ..."

Asked of previous demo days, and the standard answer has been "no" - probably due to companies not yet ready for release. I thought the purpose of demo day was to allow VC's a sneek look at the latest YC recruits not a general public launch.


nope, no video from the event. i have some pictures i'll post at a point yet to be determined.


I dunno they seem to be buying a lot of stuff recently so they must have some cash.

Don't forget its time warner as well isn't it?


Yeah, apparently, according to wikipedia, Time Warner is thinking about splitting 'AOL internet access and adversting businesses into two, with the possibility of later selling the internet access division.' So they haven't done it yet.


yeah I wasn't sure. I think its kinda a forum more of a hybrid.

I would love some for forum like features if I was honest. Split the questions, news and cool links and I think it would be more forum like.


yeah I have to agree I often think they are over looked.


excellent read, I agree with pretty much all of it.

my tip for not being side tracked is...

make your home page on your development machine blank.

Being a webdeveloper I found everytime I open my browser with igoogle I would get sidetracked by some story.

I have also taken to getting up earlier and reading all I can first thing and then just getting on with it.


Agreed. Great read. And the second point

Leave Yourself a Place to Start (or: Leave work with something small broken)

is something I do all the time. I work Java at my day job, and have found that leaving out the semi-colon at the last place I touched (so that eclipse shows a compile error) really helps me get back to what I was doing the previous evening (or the friday before) so much quicker.

And the last point, get to know your tools. I am currently trying to learn emacs, but I have pretty much mastered eclipse (and other tools that I use). Not having to use the mouse to get to different views and perspectives to browsing around for files, absolutely necessary for improving your productivity at work.

In addition to the last point, getting to know additional tools outside of the development environment really helps. I read websites like lifehacker and have learned of tools like Launchy (on windows). Yes, it takes a while to get used to these tools, but once you have figured them out and configured them to your liking, you can really fly. Though i do get made fun of at work, considering the number of shortcut key combinations that I keep in my head. Invariably, someone will stop by to ask me for a key combo, and I have to type it out because a lot of the times its muscle memory.

[My apologies for the long post]


I thought this was a great point too, but I did not take it as literally. I find that if I walk out the door with something in my mind that needs to be fixed, a real problem that I'm not sure how to tackle, that I'll daydream about it while doing other things. By the time I get back behind the keyboard I usually am anxious to try out at least one strategy so I dive right in and get working.


Great idea about that semicolon.


Yeah, the missing semicolon basically represents a continuation to his state of mind at the time of exiting the programming function.


I do the same. The remaining problem is actually focusing on the task - I try to tackle that by doing (with a timer) "sprints" of 10 minutes of work (without allowing self to be distracted at all for that 10 mins). Once 10 mins is over, I take 2 mins to goof off, then repeat. After a few cycles I am in the flow usually.


Being a webdeveloper I found everytime I open my browser with igoogle I would get sidetracked by some story.

For what it's worth, iGoogle has a link in the upper right that lets you toggle between the "Classic Home" and "iGoogle". You could use Classic Home mode to do any necessary Google searches quickly without having distracting news articles on the page (and without having to move the keyboard focus to a toolbar search box).


yeah I agree I have never seen any spam on here so they must be doing a good job.

Plus whos going to vote for spam?


>Plus whos going to vote for spam?

Spammers.


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