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Don't think it's other people's responsibility to spend their precious free time informing you of stuff you can freely look up online yourself.

If you're going to contradict someone making a claim ("Because it seems like it's barely in the hundreds"), then it is their responsibility to back it up.

I work on this area and spend a reasonable amount of time staying up to date. I made my claim - I have seen extremely limited news reports about Israeli protests that center the genocide. Indeed, these reports are extremely new and feature silent protests with several hundred protestors holding up pictures of Israeli kids. Now I could have led with that, but it's not my responsibility to spend my precious time informing people about stuff they could look up themselves online.


A little while ago I was doing 20mph in a 20 zone and got overtaken by someone on an electric bicycle lol

Which I have no problem with, since an ebike/pedestrian collision at 25 mpg would be less serious than a vehicle/pedestrian collision at 15 mpg.

I remember many (many) years ago I used to frequent a small independent video rental shop. Then, one day a Blockbuster opened next door (and when I say next door, I do mean literally next door) offering a larger range of videos to rent and much cheaper prices. Within about three months the independent had gone out of business and shut down, at which point the Blockbuster jacked their prices up to what the independent had been charging.

It was incredibly blatant and I felt sorry for the poor guy that had been running the independent business.


Email and SQL: two technologies that people keep saying are out of date and need replacing, but they keep rolling on whilst attempted replacements wither on the vine, with their dust eventually blowing away on the winds of time.


Meanwhile, many people don’t send personal emails anymore and people have switched to a variety of chat apps instead. And a lot of businesses use chat internally, such as Slack.

It’s mostly business use that’s keeping email alive, either business-to-consumer or business-to-business.


Yeah, this whole argument falls down when email is for junk mail, sending files, and password resets, and 6 digit codes. It's by every measure a failure by "product released after 2000" standards.


So frustrating when people complain about Google trying to save dying technologies like email and the web. I'm glad that email is working for you but over here in the real world I don't know anyone who still uses it.


remember google wave?


OMG! Please don't remind me about trying to source control SSIS. One tiny change cascades into 1000 lines of source being different. Total nightmare.


It's sad the direction they've ended up going. Microsoft were always a rapacious company bent on market dominance, but at least they used to be focused partially on trying to achieve that by creating very user focused software; which included large amounts of user testing and tuning every shortcut and icon for the best experience for the most users. Now they just seem to be intent on forcing user login, ads, and ai on users whether they want it or not, and generally degrading the whole user experience with no care.


There is also their complicity in war crimes.


Just to let you know, the past tense of teach is taught; so you would say "I wasn't taught this at school". Other than that, your English is great (better than some of my fellow English people lol). Well done.


You are right, and thanks. Typing on mobile with alternative keyboard without spelling correction is a challenge. I was fortunate enough to be on a part Dutch/English primary school. That helped a lot with getting a lot of assumptions corrected. For instance as a kid I assumed the English word for "monkey" is "ape", because the Dutch word is "aap".


I have seen discussions of this sort of wording so many times over the years. My understanding is as follows (and I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of why that wording is used). If you use Firefox to upload a file to a website then, legally speaking,the browser is acting as a "publisher"of that file. Because of Draconian laws in many countries, to publish a file you have to have a legal right to the file, therefore Mozilla have to establish that if you use them to upload a file that you are granting them the legal right to publish that file. It has to be worldwide because you may be uploading to anywhere in the world.


So why doesn't my backpack come with a mandatory TOS that I won't e.g. put illegal drugs in it and bring it across the border? Why is Firefox any more liable if I used it to publish illegal content on the web than the backpack manufacturer would be if I used it to smuggle illegal content across a border?


Because the legal system around backpacks are better understood. The more common something is the less legal paperwork there is. Judges understand backpacks and have for hundreds of years. Many judges don't understand technology. As a result when selling a backpack you can rely on the court's understanding and thus not have to account for every possibility. Meanwhile because the court might not understand technology you have to account for every possible trivial thing.


for example - app that downloaded entered urls, something even simpler than a browser, hit with copyright takedown in 2023: https://torrentfreak.com/google-bans-downloader-app-tv-outfi...


I don't think a TOS would have helped you with Google's shoot first, ask questions later takedown policy.


Pretty sure this isn’t a legal thing, this is Google going “we got a takedown notice from this company and aren’t about to read it or hear your opinion, in order to protect ourselves legally”


Perhaps the legal situation is different somewhere, but I would think the browser isn't acting at all. It has no agency; it's just software running on my computer, following instructions I give it. Mozilla has no agency in that situation either; the software is running on my computer, not theirs.

The new terms grant Mozilla, the corporation a license to do things with my data.


My comments above are based on precedence when sites like Facebook added these clauses and people got all panicked thinking the company was going to start selling their content (rather than selling their souls /s). The mundane truth was that they needed the wording to make sure they were legally given the right to publish the content onto the web in the way they did. So people were assuming nefarious reasons when they were just legally protecting themselves.

Now, it does seem strange that Mozilla have suddenly added this when they haven't had it previously. Personally, I deem it highly unlikely that they are planning on monetizing our content in some way; whilst they have made some strange decisions sometimes I don't think they are completely stupid. Mozilla is in a precarious position right now, they are only managing to scape by on user trust and if that disappears they are finished. I'd like to think they are not foolish enough to do something that would catastrophically erode that trust, and selling user data to advertisers would kill them.

Having thought about it a bit more now, I have to wonder if they have dreamt up some other mad scheme, like Mozilla Cloud Storage, or something that would require such wording in the terms. Hopefully, it's just a wording update to protect themselves. I guess we will find out in due course.

[edit: fixed a typo.]


I think it's likely they're planning to more deeply integrate some sort of cloud services, perhaps with a paid tier. I don't want that either; stuff like that is fine as an optional extra, but problematic when joined at the hip to a browser.


I mean, Facebook did this so they could run research studies and AI on the data, not so they could publish it. You can give yourself the rights to publish something online for the purpose of running the service and give others the right to view it for personal use without giving yourself a full copyright license to do whatever you want with it.


The question isn't what you (who presumably understands technology) would think. The question is what every court in the world would think.


But the more important question then is: what else will the courts think this language allows? Probably Mozilla could argue they need to store those uploads and analyze them under those conditions.


> If you use Firefox to upload a file to a website then, legally speaking,the browser is acting as a "publisher"of that file.

If that's the way the law is interpreted, it's silly.

The "publisher" in this case would be the website the file is uploaded to. If the website doesn't make the file public, then they're not a "publisher".

The browser is merely acting as a tool to do the uploading. Firefox shouldn't be held liable for the contents of the file any more than any other web client. If it did, tools like cURL should be liable in the same way.

Somewhere along the way web browser authors forgot that they're merely building a web user _agent_. It's a tool that acts _on behalf of_ the user, in order to help them access the web in a friendly way. It should in no way be aware of the content the user sends and receives, have a say in matters regarding this content, and let alone share that information with 3rd parties. It's an outrageous invasion of privacy to do otherwise.


>If that's the way the law is interpreted, it's silly.

It's hard to tell from your comment who exactly is the target of your complaint. You're not wrong that this interpretation might be silly, but that's not out of the ordinary in carefully using terms of art to insulate from legal liability.

And the issue of peculiar terms of art is leagues different from the issue that everyone else seems to be raising that it represents an intent to abuse private data. Those are two completely different conversations, but you're talking about them here like they're the same thing.


By such logic, operating systems would need a disclaimer like this, as would keyboards, screens, etc.


> the browser is acting as a "publisher"of that file

If that's all is required to be a publisher then ftp, scp, rsync and hundreds of similar tools are also publishers of the files they transfer. However they don't have Terms of Service like the one Mozilla is giving to Firefox.


That’s interesting, do you know of any cases that were decided on that basis? It seems downright ridiculous but then the legal system is pretty dumb, so…


They could restrict the language to that specific legal situation, couldn't they?


Interesting. This goes some way to addressing an issue I had been wondering about recently. I am a UK citizen, not US, so have little familiarity with US military. With the recent news on Trump declaring that Greenland should belong to the US I was wondering what the US military would do if ordered to carry out an unprovoked attack on an allied nation. This does seem to suggest that there is a very real possibility that they could refuse.


> This does seem to suggest that there is a very real possibility that they could refuse.

Not at all, on a societal level the US has been increasingly constructed as a huge, intricate, Prisoner's Dilemma where everyone, allegedly, has all to lose and noone, allegedly, has a say in the matter, therefore everyone complies with whatever the system, or media, asks of them.

Everyone thinks they're the victim, everyone thinks civic duty is something the oppressor is responsible for, not them personally, therefore everyone is free to be an oppressor themselves.

This problem will be intensified whenever, as we've seen elsewhere, the military starts being transformed from within and sycophants are put in positions of power.


This seems like a very interesting comment, if only I could make sense of it. Could you elaborate and/or give examples of what you're describing?


There is freedom of speech or freedom to disobey on paper. But most people cannot use these, because the system is set up so that they'll be fired, disgraced and probably barred from future jobs.

It is fine and encouraged to say "Trump is an idiot" or "Harris is an idiot", but better think twice before engaging with actual issues like whistleblowing or disobeying an unlawful order.

Just watch how topics of poor white MAGA voters who are being sold out are avoided and flagged on all sides. No one wants to hear about that. People like Bannon (a millionaire) can make some performative speeches, but nothing will happen.


> Just watch how topics of poor white MAGA voters who are being sold out are avoided and flagged on all sides. No one wants to hear about that.

What are you talking about here? Please share more about this.


I think you need to better define the order. It is unlikely to simply be to "attack" Greenland. If they were ordered to make landfall and establish a base of operations, that is very different from bombing military or civilian targets.


The U.S. already has a base of operations on Greenland, under agreement with Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base


An unprovoked invasion of a foreign country is a legal order.


No, congress would have to declare war first. Article I, Section 8.


> No, congress would have to declare war first. Article I, Section 8.

Article I, Section 8 gives Congress the sole power to declare war, it does not, on its own, prohibit any other action than "declaring war" to any other actor.

The War Powers Act (or Resolution) attempts to put some additional rules around this (note that it is widely seen as being either an unconstitutional intrusion on Presidential authority or an unconstitutional delegation of Congressional authority, and courts have so far failed to resolve it, having found lack of standing in the few cases that have been brought under it.)

But even the War Powers Act doesn't purport to prohibit the President from using force in advance of Congressional authorization.


> it does not, on its own, prohibit any other action than "declaring war" to any other actor.

That's why it will be a "Special Military Operation in Greenland" or "SMO in Canada".


Recent history has shown this to be flexible. See Grenada, Nicaragua, Iraq I, Iraq II, and others


Only in the second gulf war did the US become an occupying force, and this action was permitted by congress. The others may have been “invasions” but certainly not occupations or annexations. I could be wrong, but I don’t see congress allowing Trump to destroy NATO.


take note of the last 20 years. special military operation.


It would still require congressional approval after 60 days, unless Al Qaida suddenly showed up in Greenland. Despite congress being majority R, I just don’t see them playing along with this.

Trump says these things to get a rise out of people. He’s fueled by reaction. You can’t tell if he’s ever being serious, and I doubt even he knows if he’s being serious most of the time. Getting enraged by his actions is his goal, and he’s very good at playing his opponents into blunders this way. Best to not play along.


> It would still require congressional approval after 60 days

"After 60 days" is very different from "first".

And, since the President can unilaterally extend the timeline by 30 days, its actually 90 days, even if the War Powers Act is valid (an unresolved Constitutional question.)

And, in practice, it doesn't even require that if you don't have active majorities in Congress opposing the action; see the NATO-Yugoslavia war and the failure of legal challenges by members of Congress against it predicated on the War Powers Act limitations, because of lack of standing.


> unless Al Qaida suddenly showed up in Greenland

If invading Greenland was an actual real goal, something like this would definitely "happen", to manufacture the necessary pretext. Way cheaper than the alternatives.


First time, huh?


Isn't Harry short for Harold?


I've now checked, and it was originally a form of Henry, but can now also be a diminutive form of any name beginning with Har... So we're both right : - )


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