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IIUC Meta is spending more on capital (due to AI buildout) than they are receiving in profits.

Given Depreciation this is expected. And ... the intent of the law, to prompt capital investment.

What's the scandal, exactly?


Wait it gets worse for the "article"

ITEP gets the number by dividing Meta’s current federal tax expense ($2.82B) by its domestic pretax income ($79.64B), which is about 3.5–3.6%.

But Meta’s total 2025 GAAP effective tax rate was actually 29.6%, because it also booked a huge $15.93B charge tied to the Corporate Alternative Minimum Tax and valuation allowances.


Both numbers are wrong. Meta's actual income before tax was about $83 billion and its actual tax cost was $25 billion. This is an effective tax rate of ~30%.

https://investor.atmeta.com/investor-news/press-release-deta...


You sure it is about labor prices? These are highly capital intensive businesses.

You may want to ask your LLM to do very detailed research.


Ouch!

Of course it can do both. They are synergistic.

"If AI tech goes very well, it can be the greatest invention of all human history"

As has been said at many all hands:

Let's all work on the last invention needed by humans.


Except it's more likely to be the last invention that needs humans.

I think this is key:

"On top of that, there is currently no reliable way to accurately measure how AI use among businesses and consumers contributes to economic growth."

No doubt people are using it work ( https://www.gallup.com/workplace/701195/frequent-workplace-c... ) the question is how much productivity results and to whom does it accrue.

Partially this is AI capability (both today and in the past), partially this is people taking time to change their tools.


I upvoted you right off reading the first line.

But then you drifted.

I have no idea what you mean by "AGI, however, is mathematically impossible."

Further, your point about political pushback is short sighted. As AI becomes more lucrative there will be more impetuous to "pay" locations to have data centers, and as that becomes too expensive space is clearly the next answer.


The development of AGI assumes zero constraints, when constraints exist at every layer of the stack. That's why it's mathematically impossible.

In a system driven by capital, manufacturing can ramp to an extent but they generally can't exponentially ramp due to dependencies they have.

When you ramp one layer of the stack, other layers of the stack are pressurized. We're seeing a small preview of that now with memory pricing. But these break points for AGI are everywhere. Power capacity, power infrastructure, DC labor, cooling systems, memory, motherboards, GPUs. All of these things have dependencies that cannot be scaled exponentially, or quickly. As you pressure points of each of these dependencies, prices rise exponentially.

Let's take memory for instance, it is merely one block in the jenga tower but it's a good example. Memory is already at close to 100% capacity. Spinning up new capacity is highly constrained, and money can't really make it faster. Lead times are 4+ years on new plants, which cost billions.

The same is true for other components, and in some cases the situation is worse.


"Won't happen for 4+ years" and "mathematically impossible" are quite different. Given that humans apparently exhibit the "GI" part of "AGI", I find "mathematically impossible" difficult to believe. "Extremely unlikely with current LLM architecture", sure, but that's a very different statement from "mathematically impossible".

If you are making a prediction on the viability of AGI assuming that an entirely new technology will make the efficiency problem of LLMs moot then you're essentially engaging in mysticism, aren't you?

It is correct to say it is mathematically impossible, as all the people making AGI claims rely upon advances that are not even theoretical, they have not even been discovered yet, and the mere possibility of them is questioned by many scientists.

LLMs have hard and soft limits all over the place preventing AGI. You aren't gonna train and loop yourself to AGI because the compute does not exist, and will not exist.

My 4+ year point was for a single memory fab. Increasing capacity by merely 5% (generous assumption) takes 4 years and $10bn. It's starting to sound like the path to AGI in the current paradigm will cost infinite dollars and take infinite years of build-out.

Even with a transformational efficiency breakthrough, you still have hard limits all over the place. Where are you going to store all the data? Memory constraints again.


What a poor take if

"AI makes human labor obsolete"

Given comparative advantage gives a offramp to this for a lot of what we currently understand as "economics", if the author is positing that we will be beyond this, then your response is missing the forest from the trees.


There is no indication that the surplus extracted by automated labour will be distributed to the advantage of the population. If we look at how things are going at the moment and in the present, there will be a further concentration of power and capital. And I don't see any reasons why the billionaire class should give this up. You could, of course, give an argument why things are will be different this time.

I will repeat myself:

comparative advantage

[edit] I will further repeat myself:

If comparative advantage will not hold then that's really something, no one understands what happens in that future, proposing some random solution at this point is unbelievably premature.


Seriously Guardian, this has to be the least interesting question possible "if AI makes human labor obsolete", I mean FFS talk about a lack of understanding.

If this had happened it would be scandalous. Unreal, really.

Luckily, it sounds like reality was his Gemini account was banned. Much more reasonable.


"They can't afford to fall behind on it."

They are very, very seriously far behind as of 3.0.

We'll see if 3.1 addresses the issue at all.


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