Have you not seen Tesla's stock price? Autopilot? Robotaxis?
(I say this as a Tesla owner who literally doesnt drive anymore since I just use autopilot. I also live in downtown austin and see Robotaxis everywhere)
Lol I've pretty much checked out of HN since the discussion here is reddit r/technology level of competence.
The idea that TSLA is failing is so completely moronic that it's astonishing.
To be fair stock price is not a great indicator of much. Sales are down YoY with no prospect of recovery. Stock price has no bearing on current operations unless they raise capital by selling equity. It’s also been the case that Tesla stock price has been disconnected from performance often. The amount of ill will he’s generated among his core market is enormous, and the tailwinds he had with green policy have been replace with significant head winds with an aggressively (and bizarrely) pro-pollution administration based on a retribution model than a technocratic model. This is especially bad for Tesla as musk actively sought retribution so there is no reason to believe this is going to go well for Tesla over the next few years. He dumped all over his customers to curry favor with someone that now hates him and has a history of actively seeking revenge - what a mess.
As an owner of two Tesla and a frequent user of autopilot with FSD, I don’t believe we will be seeing a significant rollout in any but the easiest to travel areas. SF, LA, Seattle or the other places Waymo currently is either running or preparing to operate are much more challenging road environments than Austin, and Waymo is already fully autonomous with years of track record in these areas. There’s no chance robotaxi will overtake Waymo - I use them often, use FSD often. They aren’t comparable - Waymo is considerably more advanced and capable.
Sorry man, I wished Tesla was going to win out, but by shifting focus to ever more bizarre efforts away from their core cars (when’s the last time a real X or S model refresh happened?) they lost the initiative. BYD and the other legion of Chinese EV are going to eat Tesla alive within 5 years. I’ve had the chance to ride in and drive many of the brands overseas and they are a fraction the price and about as good. It’s over.
Stock price is certainly a better indicator than any numbers coming out of China. The question isn't whether the numbers are fudged but how many times were they fudged, at each step in the reporting chain.
It's weird to me that when people talk about Tesla, the business, is doing poorly, the retort is citing the stock price as if that's somehow what the person is talking about and not going to be seen as disconnected from fundamentals by the person you're talking to. So many things were being used to justify the stock price have simply not materialized. For example, the idea that Dojo would be a lasting moat does not appear to be materially true.
As a business, they've seen declining yearly revenues (2025 is expected to be lower overall) and declining sales on a YoY basis in a sector that has seen tremendous growth. The article we're on literally is how Tesla squandered their lead over BYD.
Autopilot and FSD are neat (for some definition of neat) but have clear competitors with Waymo being far ahead in deployment. BYD has their own developing system that's not as good but it's not clear to be that FSD will be some kind of enduring advantage either given that parallel systems are also being developed.
> It's weird to me that when people talk about Tesla, the business, is doing poorly, the retort is citing the stock price as if that's somehow what the person is talking about and not going to be seen as disconnected from fundamentals by the person you're talking to.
The election broke a lot of people and the daily negative Tesla and political posts are HN's way of compartmentalizing them. Otherwise they would metastasize all over the entire site.
I agree with you. It could put a huge dent in the tens of thousands of American lives lost every year if autonomous driving was mandated. Barring that, at least I'll protect my own family by using self-driving in the largest possible car (truck) I can buy.
I have such a difficult time with this. Not the self driving part, but the largest possible car/truck part.
As a cyclist in a very truck-and-large-car-obsessed state I really hate them and their drivers scare me. And because of that I have a really hard time convincing myself that I should be in one too vs. a smaller more practical car. But at the same time I realize that my family getting hit in a Honda Accord (most likely by a much larger car) is going to be quite a bit worse than if we get hit in a Cybertruck or GMC Sierra.
There are many things you can understand are a tragedy of the commons and yet decide to make a choice that is not optimal for yourself even if it makes you worse off.
Would you rather share the road with a Cybertruck that's driving itself with all the cameras and sensors and collision avoidance features, or a Honda Civic being driven by a human who could be young/old/on their cell phone/fleeing police?
This is a common trope around "poor people are poor because they aren't capable of being rich". If the rich can make the poor believe wealth inequality is natural and fair then lots of things go more smoothly.
You’re correct that belief is a powerful driver of prosperity/poverty - and that believing that you’re headed for either can lead to you to different modes of decision making. I’ve experienced and witnessed both.
An unexpected windfall will amplify the psychology of the recipients. For people who have lived without, the mindset is frequently “live today like it’s your last” or “enjoy it while it lasts” and blow it or self destruct.
Some will be obviously be more mature about it though.
Eh, touch some grass buddy. You're interpretting a lot of negativity from the poster despite having no evidence to support it.
> [1] A famous study in 2010 from the Review of Economics and Statistics revealed that, out of 35,000 lottery winners who obtained between $50,000 and $150,000 in winnings, 1,900 of them had filed for bankruptcy within 5 years.
> A 2015 paper in The American Economic Review also presented that 15% of NFL players filed for bankruptcy after 12 years of retirement.
It's really common for people with sudden windfalls to lose it all.
I’m not sure a study of chronic gamblers generalizes to long-term working class employees of this facility. I have no idea what lessons can be learned from the NFL case, but I suspect none at all.
> It's really common for people with sudden windfalls to lose it all.
5% of people isn't "really common". Estimate of 1% of US adults declare bankruptcy within a 5 year period (based on ending in July 2025 and right now is a very low period). 2010 a peak it was likely closer to 3% of adults.
It is rightfully calling it a false trope of "Only rich people deserve money. We should prevent others from getting it".
Source? I doubt many making north of 300k per year are living paycheck to paycheck. It's hard to not save money (like at least 10%) at that income imo.
Does it matter? It's their money, and they have needs and wants.
The difference with multi-millionaires and billionaires is that they can cover they wants and even mere whims, and the whole system gives them opportunities to keep and multiply their money.
You might want to follow the article and wake up to the slow destruction of the US's constitutional architecture.
How can you seriously claim the president has no control over the court when he previously appointed three judges, with three more having been appointed by other presidents from his party? Appointments which made the court reverse decades-old case law?
It’s true that the POTUS is subject to the US courts. But I think it is fair to read TFA as a lament about an unwise assumption that is broader than “Biden wouldn’t have done certain things.” The organs of the EU should protect EU interests as if no nonEU organ ever agreed by default with the EU’s values.
I get that it's a UI issue that OpenAI needs to solve. But it's really interesting how we have this crazy powerful tool like LLMs and the people on "hacker news" can't be bothered to spend enough time with them to develop good workflows.
Really shows how much the quality of the HN community has changed.
Pornhub is pretty tame compared to a lot of the stuff out there, which won't be blocked because it's hosted in Russia or wherever and won't comply. I don't think limiting access to mainstream porn sites is going to do anything positive wrt porn addiction, and it could drive people to much darker stuff.
a. the vast majority of people are neither addicted to porn nor lacking in ability to form relationships. if that has happened to some people they are a minority
b. pornhub has no monopoly over the internet porn industry. insofar as those men did get so addicted, that would have happened regardless of pornhub existing.
"a. the vast majority of people are neither addicted to porn nor lacking in ability to form relationships. if that has happened to some people they are a minority"
Dropping birth rates are just because kids are a burden these days. With both parents needing to work to pay for a house it's a huge hassle. I'm glad I never had any. My life is much freer now.
And we're not going to go extinct. Plenty of people want kids and have them. Maybe we'll reduce the population a bit which would be great. Less pollution, less pressure on the overloaded housing situation.
> Less pollution, less pressure on the overloaded housing situation.
Generally when one group shrinks in evolution, it doesn't reduce for long the total pressures on the environment. What usually happens is other groups grow into the new opportunities that have opened up.
> What usually happens is other groups grow into the new opportunities that have opened up.
Which is only a bad thing if you assume "other groups" are inherently worse. But if the current state is so bad people are openly cheering after a murder, perhaps there are more pressing issues - which likely also contribute to low birth rate.
I agree that porn addiction can be destructive. But the idea that you can somehow block porn is ludicrous. Work on the problem from some other angle. This is just puritanical politicians throwing their weight around.
> Work on the problem from some other angle. This is just puritanical politicians throwing their weight around.
Sure. But if I look at this objectively, I am not sure it is going to be solved from another angle by liberal societies any time soon. And religious societies, or at least those that are puritanical in this regards will get a significant and likely sustainable demographic advantage as a result. I think this speaks to the larger issues of why religion has persisted and why atheism has yet to be a sustainable endeavour, rather than a demographic sink. Truth doesn't actually matter, viability via demographic sustainability is how things are actually judged.
I don't think we should be attempting to force parenthood on children in order to solve birthrates. Maybe you should have to show proof of being a child to access porn? Might work.
Almost everyone watches porn and almost everyone has relationships. And if they don't it's not because they don't need sex. In fact sex is a less important part of relationships IMO. Being in an open relationship we both enjoy that with others too but we're not less special to each other. Those other people come and go and sex is a nice pleasure, but she's the one keeping me warm at night and comforting me when I'm sad. That matters a lot more to me.
Porn addiction does not exist in anything other than a possible symptom of some other mental health issue, but puritanical people like yourself and religious lobbyists like to pretend the degradation of society revolves around sexual liberty.
(I say this as a Tesla owner who literally doesnt drive anymore since I just use autopilot. I also live in downtown austin and see Robotaxis everywhere)
Lol I've pretty much checked out of HN since the discussion here is reddit r/technology level of competence.
The idea that TSLA is failing is so completely moronic that it's astonishing.
The stock is at an all time high?
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