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Well, the US legalizes gay marriage and now they have Trump. Rebuttal?


I think there may be something to this. Though perhaps a better term than "rebuttal" is "backlash". The conservative backlash has long been mooted by social commentators.

It's likely a large cohort of Trumps voters were those who were incensed by "central government interfering in local affairs", in particular the case of Kim Davis springs to mind.

Never mind that Trump doesn't exactly embody conservatism, I'd imagine a large amount of conservative voters, alarmed by social progress would have voted him out of spite.

Of course, now I like to think that the current wave of high-profile sexual impropriety cases is similarly a sparked by the more socially liberal sectors of society against the misogyny embodied by Trump and the socially conservative segments.


>I'd imagine a large amount of conservative voters, alarmed by social progress would have voted him out of spite.

Most conservatives are driven almost entirely by spite:

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/29/17971903-to-figh...

>When the more expensive CFLs were sold without environmental messaging — but touted the fact that CFLs last 9,000 hours longer than the less expensive incandescent bulbs and reduce energy costs by 75 percent — more conservatives bought them.

>The ideological divide was strongest when energy efficiency was tied to the environmental message of reducing carbon emissions.

See also: the entire concept of "rolling coal" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal).


Their kids will grow up with asthma, but at least they trolled the liberals.


I hadn't heard of that. Rolling Coal. What a terrifically hilarious concept, and terrifying at the same time.


Oh wow, that's insane.

I know, I'll poison the air around myself, that'll make those damn liberals crazy!


Really, you are arguing that Harvey Weinstein is a conservative? I mean I rarely write LOL on this page, but I am literally sitting here and doing that. And yes Roy More, but he wasn't the first and he doesn't seem like he will be the last.


How did you make out that I said he was a conservative? I was drawing on the fact that a lot of conservative voters hold deeply misogynistic worldviews, so yeah I would lump them all into the one category, that defies politics.


"I like to think that the current wave of high-profile sexual impropriety cases is similarly a sparked by the more socially liberal sectors of society against the misogyny embodied by Trump and the socially conservative segments."

What? Pretty much every harasser and rapist revealed recently has been a moderate-to-active liberal. Weinstein himself gave generously to Hillary.

How do you spin this as righteous leftists getting rid of those bad conservatives when all the perps are full-throated leftist donors, activists, and supporters? I'm sorry but this strikes me as just surreal.


> Pretty much every harasser and rapist revealed recently has been a moderate-to-active liberal. Weinstein himself gave generously to Hillary.

That's a pretty tough statement to make when the GOP and Trump just endorsed Roy Moore for the senate race in Alabama because they need the seat.


Yeah that's the beauty of it. It's the left getting their house in order before they go for the right.

Also, I never said "left" and "right", or anything to do with political allegiances. These topics transcend political identity.


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Didn't 'hurrrr' anything. His indiscretions are widely known. As are Bill Clinton's.


You're avoiding my point. But that's ok.


What kind of point could a 'hurrr'-type statement ever be making.


Aussies banned shotguns and were punished with a terrible drought.


Cancer causes cellphones


Correlation is not causation


It was abrupt and it came from Trump. Those are the main reasons it's causing such a stir.


It is causing a stir because Permanent Residents (green-card holders) were being told they were no longer welcome into the country. If Permanent Residency is no longer actually permanent, and can be removed on a whim, that is incredibly stirring.


The green-card omission was a mistake, fortunately corrected relatively quickly. The majority of this action, while disheartening and inconvenient for some, is temporary. That which remains and is being declared permanent will not be so. If you haven't learned by now, look closer (and check out Scott Adams recent blog posts). He consistently starts at an extreme and works back to the position he really wants. We are only at the very beginning of this process.


> The green-card omission was a mistake,

Only in that the political backlash was unexpected, forcing the Administration to backpedal.


Especially since it has been done many times before with little noise.


No, it hasn't, which is why most of the times people say this they do it without specific examples, and when they do provide specific examples they are immediately shown to be radically different than what Trump implemented.


>> No, it hasn't...

Yes, it has.


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