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I think that wish would be corrupted quickly.

Oh so you commute all the way out to the suburbs? Hey since we know you'll have nothing to do anyway please complete these additional tasks. If you work on the way home we won't bother you after you actually arrive there.


Just say no.

Exploitative behavior only becomes an expectation when enough employees prove willing to do it.


It's funny, I was pretty young back then and I though Amazon WAS TRU because of those site redirects. It remember going on the site and thinking how incredible it was, they had everything compared to other store websites and even other stores in person. It really left an impression on me and was a gateway that guided me to primarily shop at Amazon for years after - really just until recently.


For someone in search of the almighty self imposed productivity metric, in sure it seems healthy. But for the rest of us, it's stupid.


I doubt this single incident alone is the reason, but maybe the catalyst. Google and its unhealthy lust for diversity has been an increasingly frequent topic. Hell, someone got fired for posting an anti diversity rant last year. While his arguments were weak or flat out wrong, it's clear that Google is making a point to single out underrepresented minorities to the detriment of others who may actually be better candidates.


I mean, if it's the same memo in thinking of, it wasn't a "diversity memo" he was fired over, it was a manifesto that has been reviewed and agreed on as sufficient cause for his dismissal several times now.

In it, he argued that women were essentially worse at logical tasks than men, and further that this made them poor engineers.

That's not a diversity memo, that's a sexist screed.


> In it, he argued that women were essentially worse at logical tasks than men, and further that this made them poor engineers.

No he didn't. He said they were inherently less interested in STEM, and speculated about a few personality characteristics from psych research that might explain why, but all of that is irrelevant. Damore explicitly said that you can't judge individual competence from a probability distribution, even if the distribution of competence of each gender were different (which they largely are not).

Here's a broad overview of the literature covering what Damore got right and wrong: http://heterodoxacademy.org/the-google-memo-what-does-the-re...

Turns out, he was right that women seem to have different interests. I suggest reading about the things vs. people hypothesis. You can get more women into STEM subfields that deal with people if you highlight those aspects. Hiring quotas and some of the other measures Damore was arguing against would indeed have no effect on gender diversity given these facts.


That is not what the memo said. did you not read it or is this what you think the writer meant even if he did not actually write that but you have some kind of mind reading abilities?


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There are a couple of reasons people are so quick to claim other people didn't read the memo verbatim. The first being that the first major publication to run with it, and the biggest one here on HN, was the verge's article where citations and graphs were stripped away from it.

The other is that is it often given such uncharitable descriptions that people who have read it simply can't believe the hate levied at it comes from actually having read the thing. I've actually talked this whole topic through for hours back and forth with someone who is very against the memo, but even they they would call it a sexist manifesto. That sort of thing comes across as off the cuff criticism by people who haven't read the thing.


There are many people who’ve read it and reached the same conclusion about his claims. Simply accusing people of not having read it – or the other standard talking point of claiming that the citations somehow completely change the meaning – is a dishonest way to avoid engaging with those criticisms. If they’re wrong, it should be easy to demonstrate that or find a statement by Damore that he didn’t intend his words to be read that way.


Sure thing. He says as such during his interview with Joe Rogan. If your claim is that he intends to present the idea that women are inferior in this field, that interview contradicts it.


Right, so that would be the thing to talk about rather falsely accusing people of not reading his original memo — it was certainly sloppy enough to be possible that the way many people read it was not how he originally intended.

If he's made direct statements rejecting biological determinism it should be easy enough to cite them — and it'd be useful to do so to avoid distraction when his supporters try to rehash the arguments in favor of that position.


You do no get to decide what contributes and what does not beyond your +-1. you do not have the moral high ground when you are repeating lies. It is clear to me that anyone that has read the memo, and is not laying will not describe it the way DanHulton did. Seems to me that what ever conversation you want to have it should not be based on falsehoods.


I read it, and I think DanHulton described it in pretty much the same way I would. The charts struck me as lacking meaningful context, and loose correlations were treated as logical, causal relationships in support for discriminatory hypotheses, reading like a case study in how to fallaciously present opinion as fact through charts and statistics.


Are we counting reviews by pushing the same narrative that was being pushed by the people he originally offended? What I've seen is a number of scientists (in the specific fields that are related to it) backing his work, others attacking it, and all agreeing it doesn't rise to the muster of a peer reviewed paper/meta-analysis (though that seems a pretty insane bar to begin with).


Agreed on by whom? Did you even read the memo yourself?


The entire industry is going down that path because it's the best way to make money. The WSJ has been doing this for a few years now.


How many of these users simply aged out of the demographic? I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a combination of people aging out and not too many new users signing up.


That was my first thought, too.

How many of the "users under 25" simply turned 26?

It's like an old article I saw somewhere about teen pregnancy dropping heavily once they reach 20 years old...


Let's assume 25% of the USA population is on Facebook (2.2B of ~8B in the World apparently are, it's probably higher). So we have about 80M USA FB users. About 40/320 or 1/8 are in the 20-24 age group; but they're more likely to be represented on FB, so let's say 1:6 of USA FB users are 20-24.

So, back of the napkin we can expect around 13M/5 or ~2.5M Facebook users to age out of the under-25 age-group in USA in a year. It's around the same ball-park.

Disclaimer: I'm recovering from flu.


From my experience there is far less of this "what do you do" pertaining to work than of their primary hobby or interest. Might be a younger generation thing since there are so many of us that acknowledge we aren't working in the job or industry we would like to, and can blatantly see that in others.


What is this supposed to become, exactly? Google hasn't said much about it and speculators are making big claims like how this will replace ChromeOS and Android. I don't see that happening any time soon considering how deeply entrenched both OSes are, but Google's dedication mixed with the lack of comments makes me think again.


Depending on the future direction they take this, it might end up replacing OpenBSD for me.

Mac OS X and OpenBSD are my daily drivers, but at their core, they are BSDs, and less and less I find myself using the NeXTSTEP portion of Mac OS X and more and more time in BSD-land, which is leading me to move more and more of my overall computer time to OpenBSD which is a great operating system but is still largely a continuation of the UNIX/POSIX/BSD model which I appreciate like fine wine but do not love.

If Fuschia ends up being the answer to the question of what would happen if we built a new operating system from scratch today, taking the best lessons we were able to learn in the past 50 years, then I might be using it as my daily driver in 10 years.

Or maybe not. Nobody can really say what it will be right now.


Don’t hold your breath. The zircon API isn’t innovative in any modern sense. Additionally it’s bloated and not clean like L4. It’s just in house IP for Google.

(HN won’t let me directly reply to the comment below so here it is:

Nothing in zircon doesn’t already exist on Linux or any other modern kernel. Additionally it has bloat, like 3 distinct IPC mechanisms.

Even further, if it ends up being any technical person’s main driving OS it will surely sport a POSIX API and at that point it’s just another implementation of POSIX with similar a security model.)


Fuchsia docs says POSIX lite and Web runtime, under Backwards compatibility. More info at https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/docs/+/HEAD/book.md#zircon-... You can fire up the fuchsia in qemu, as it requires hardware graphics, you can't run the desktop, but you can have multiple shell open. I've had a play and it has vim and sql_shell and a bare bones top.


You think the lack of technical innovation is what makes products fail? Seems to me that it's actually the opposite that's true.


Never said it was going to fail. I just don’t expect it to be more appropriate as a hacker’s OS than OpenBSD or Linux.


This is interesting: I thought they had taken a lot of care to implement very clean concepts.


Could you explain what you mean? I'd like to understand your point of view.


Probably something more architecturally sound for future platforms in augmented and virtual reality among other things. One of the biggest issues with Android is managing permissions for apps to system resources. Proper sandboxing of 3rd party code is a big deal, especially if the next generation experiences are so much more immersive.


Given the amount of activity in porting Chromium to Fuchsia [x], my bet is on Fuchsia eclipsing Chromeos. A possible reason for this would be to get out from under the linux kernel; Fuchsia/Zircon enables google to make changes quickly.

[x] http://bit.ly/2EBckRk


well, based on the demo there, I'd almost only want it is a Google Assistant version of Amazon's Show where it could be an assistant for various users (and guests). Outside of that, I'm not sure.

Obviously, it has to be more with all of the aspects of it, but in its current state, that's the only thing I can envision.


Sites like Codewars seem to me like good ideas starting out, but it doesn't take that long to turn into an arms race of complex one liners that people vote up as the coolest solution, not the best in terms of productivity for a company.


Seriously? This would be a deal breaker for me. It would also be nice to be able to save preferences so that I only ever get results from the past year unless I specify otherwise. It just takes additional clicks and is a big pain from the search engine that's supposed to be user friendly.


Google is a sitting duck for innovation, why does it not suggest scopes for search (paris = person / place), or show me a graph of results over time, or let me exclude pages with X% similarity and show me the most likely original source, there is so much room for improvement, exciting times...


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