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let's just replace google with a better source. it's bound to happen when you choose profit over freedom


The latter of which seems to be bound to happen to any publicly owned company. They capitalize on network effect and market share ie. popularity. And the irony is that this very website tries to accelerate such (in the form of a unicorn!)


a lot of pressure to not go solar and the whole overhype movement i've seen was mainly endorsed by those with vested interest in other forms of energy. big oil, coal, nuclear etc. there's a lot of energy we are not harvesting due to battery technology. hell we can honestly pull energy out of the air during a storm, it would make the area safer because lightning itself could be used as a way to charge up batteries. but the batteries are just not there, there are very cheap ways of storing energy though, gravity being one of those primitive technologies. pumping water up a spout etc. but i don't think solar itself will be all we need, i agree with that part. but we have a lot of unused energy that we can take advantage of if people allow their mind to explore new sources of renewables


until china starts moving for better rights for their citizens, i am afraid they should be held at arms length. cannot trust a government that lies that over 1 million people are just being "re-educationed" and "happy" and "want to be there", there is a reason for distrust and it's not "xenophobic" to point out the regimes bs, the people of china deserve a better government. don't even get me started on hong kong. the whole situation is not fun


It's really not the business of the US government to be sanctioning China over "better rights for their citizens", when the US has already got massive prison labour camps, racist policing system, and has mishandled the Cvid-19 pandemic to the point where there's a million dead and more injured long-term from long Covid.

China is not a perfect system, and the response to terrrorism in Xinjiang should probably not be extensive prison camps and a surveillance state - but again, the US doesn't have a leg to stand on for criticising this when their response to terrorism is to lay waste to several different countries and cause millions of deaths.

It's all very well for us to sit here and wish for a better system in China, but we all have a much better chance of fighting for and winning a better system here in the USA that would actually change lives here.


I don't understand your mindset, possibly you could expand a bit for me. Shouldn't the US try to improve China? Worst case scenario the US is hypocritical, but that doesn't mean it still shouldn't wield its power for good. Doesn't your position "make the perfect the enemy of the good"? I'm interested in hearing your response.


But why China specifically? Why not wield this power to improve Saudi Arabia for example? (note that since the Saudis are allied and deeply rely on the US, it should be easier to sway them into doing good)


There are a variety of reasons proponents of changing China could make in response, for example since China is becoming (already?) powerful independently from the United States which could (already?) makes them a greater threat, having our opponents share as many values as possible would be ideal in a multipolar world order. However, I'm not arguing for that position, I just don't understand the idea that because the United States has failed on X, Y, or Z issues that that means we shouldn't try to solve those problems whenever they appear. Does that make sense? I can give clarification if needed.


> Shouldn't the US try to improve China?

The goal of US foreign policy has never been to improve the lives of people anywhere outside the US. A sibling comment points out that one of our closest allies in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy that publicly beheads dissidents and has incredibly sexist laws, yet the US does nothing, and we see nothing like the neo Cold War coverage that Xinjiang produces. The US will remain an ally of Saudi Arabia because that is beneficial to the interests of the US, not the people subject to the Saudi regime.

If you think I’m a cynic or conspiracy theorist, take a look at what the US has done in other countries since WW2, in many cases overthrowing democratically elected governments in favor of US friendly regimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r.... This is what the US has always done to other countries, expecting them to care about morals or improving anyone’s lives is missing their goal completely (and taking their propaganda at face value).

Whatever the goal of confrontation with China is, improving human rights is the least likely possibility.


I don't disagree substantially, and I don't think you're a "conspiracy theorist", however I must say that you and many others seem to be reading into my question what I did not mean. I'm not asserting that the US has had positive impact, I'm asking whether or not they should have a positive impact despite internal issues still existing. Does that make sense?


Yeah I see your point. I think what I and others are saying is that given the US’s 70+ year track record at serving their own interests at the detriment of foreign people, there is no reason for them to completely change their goals with no reason. The US defense apparatus doesn’t exist to be a moral good or improve the lives of foreigners, it exists to serve the interests of wealthy Americans. The professed moral goals are propaganda and will always be false - they’ve had these justifications for every action they’ve taken from supporting death squads to installing dictators to topple democracies


The problem is that the american politicians justify those actions by pretenting it's a moral call.

So the BS meter is rising.


> Shouldn't the US try to improve China?

US has been doing that since 1978. US capital and domestic market improved China's economy tremendously. And in the process US capitalists get astronomical amount of profit.

Should US interfere China's political system?

Sure. But since China is so powerful in its military. I see no reason that US can force that upon China.


Thank you, I really liked your response. I think you answered an important, parallel, issue which is the practicality of influencing China. This is a different, though interconnected, issue which can sometimes have completely different implications. Foreign policy is fascinating, I must say.


Unless the US improves itself first, then I don't think China is going to believe that the US is making these criticisms and imposing these sanctions with any kind of coherent moral framework. They're going to look at this as a way to restrict and punish them.


Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it.

I don't quite think the idea that the country needs a "coherent moral framework" to justify taking action to improve particular moral issues. China itself has a coherent framework, but it's wrong and promotes grave injustice (coherence does not mean correct).

Maybe to better understand each other you could comment on my criticism of making "the perfect the enemy of the good" since I think that's the defining issue that's causing me to struggle understanding your point of view.


The situation is +-same in more than half of the world, yet people in US largely don't care since its not part of ongoing medialized trade war.

Compare it to Saudi Arabia which gets free pass on basically any atrocity because oil and US military bases. Or Pakistan supporting Taliban and de facto defeating US army in battle of mental attrition in Afghanistan from the shadows. Or Israel which is committing war atrocities on Palestinian population, and running biggest concentration camp in western world (Gaza Strip). And so on.

Sure, they do bad stuff that they view will help them in future to have more homogeneous population. Which will probably end up true.

You wanna 'held them at arms length'? Well slap tariffs on Chinese-manufactured goods, you can start with Apple products.


Yeah sure but we should do them also hold Israel at arms length for holding 2 million people in a literal concentration camp in Gaza and also heavily restricting the rights of Palestinians in West Bank. Why this is not called genocide when the Uighur situation is, is beyond me.


Both are genocides, without qualification.


Bizarre that you have not been downvoted to oblivion. Probably because you didn't use a keyword that summons bots.


You can only downvote on HN after you've acquired enough karma yourself. Bots can't do sh* here, thank you very much.


Do you think PR agencies don't maintain such accounts?


Amazing.


Significant amounts of HN accounts with enough karma to downvote exist which are owned by bot farms.


If you know they're significant, then you must know which they are? Did you report it to admin? Or you just speculate?


if someone spoke 94% of a second language we would say that person is fluent in that second language. this is great news


yeah you are onto something. massive supply chains have a ton of carbon footprint. which some people that doesn't matter but for someone like myself, i am a bigger fan of less carbon emissions. i wonder if there is a way we can build an etching machine and print chips somehow, the process seems a little clearer after watching this simplified video. i think it can be done, everything complex is just a bunch of simple steps, solve each step and get closer to the goal. might be fun to create a github type community where people push their ideas to a source control platform where others can chime in and give their input. so like open source chip manufacturing, kinda like how 3d printers started out with makerbot and other open source printer projects.

i think it can be done and it would be fun. we have to filter out people who have a vested interest in chip manufacturers because they may try to over complicate the process to protect their purse. so like a vouch system, where we know the people coming in have the right heart and won't purposely screw up moral


I think it's extremely unlikely that a small scale DIY process would be more energy efficient than using existing fabs.


> massive supply chains have a ton of carbon footprint

Are you talking about distribution? Because I would have thought the small size/weight of wafers would mean those costs would be fairly small. Maybe (silicon) packaging could be done locally, but even then packaged chips weigh little.


While energy, and thus CO2, is a significant part of solar cell production (because of the sheer scale), the attributed CO2 output of the chip industry is tiny compared to the commercial value of the chips produced.


so carbon tax would be effective in this scenario?


Current C-suite culture should suffice.


that's exactly what i do, i think youtube is messing up big time. this is almost as bad as onlyfans trying to go completely wholesome


youtube will join the names of yahoo, myspace and aol. we are seeing their decay. the money we see as growth is not going to last long.


yeah good is ruining everything they touch


you nailed it on the head. some players want to control public opinion rather than changing their business model or philosophy closer to what the people want


was this because all joe biden videos had more downvotes than upvotes? just kidding but all jokes aside i don't think getting rid of the dislikes is a good idea.


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