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Always wanted to get a held of that book! Will definitely read it


Thanks man!

From the buyer perspective we have made a special one-on-on online coaching session, where they can ask us anything for feedbacks on how to improve their shops. We gave a lot of suggestions to them but most just didn't take any action afterwards.

We do have a reputation service. We verified each and every store by taking in their personal government ID. We show case their customer testimonials in their own shop page.

Two crucial thing that we can't play with, price and quality of product :) Which is two of the most important thing needed for someone to make a purchase.


I wrote about some challenges in doing growth hacking in my other medium post :)


The one I wrote was an over simplification. There are of course more than that.

The value proposition to the seller were clear, we wanted to give them more exposure outside of Instagram, make their store be discovered by style/trends.

The value proposition to the buyer is what I think is lacking. We tried to generate sort of a board as a form of style inspirations, but it seemed the market doesn't really care about the mix and match of outfits. I guess what i realized too late is developing country markets are prioritizing price over style way more than developed countries


Thanks for the further discussion. Definitely makes sense for the seller.


We did raise funding it was around $100k-$500k (not going to disclose the real amount). We realized that we needed some boost to test the market overall, but after 1.5 year of using that money and got to 30-40k UV per day, the path of profitability from that point seems far away, numbers just don't add up.

It gets worse as I stated in the article that new startups in the same area are raising behemoth amount of funding. The funds were used to attract and subsidized sellers and buyers.


I sense a lot of naive optimism in your approach.

You understand the goal of any business, especially an internet business, is to become a monopoly right?

Look at Amazon, Google, FB, etc. They only became profitable once they became monopolies, and thus could set their own prices based on whatever metrics they chose.

The reason startups take outside funding is so that they can become a monopoly in a given market, and then charge customers whatever they want.

Don't fall for the marketing hype. Startups don't save the world. Scientists, doctors and inventors do. Startups just make a few people very, very rich at the expense of their customers by selling them mostly crap they don't need or want, using psychological manipulation (i.e. marketing).

Once you understand that this isn't some noble quest, you can finally begin to understand how to play the game (of thrones).


Startups just make a few people very, very rich at the expense of their customers by selling them mostly crap they don't need or want.

This is laughably false for at least two of the examples (Amazon, Google) you've mentioned in your own post.

Millions of people use these services everyday to make their lives better. Thousands of employees work for good pay at these companies. Is it all scam? Of course not.


I would have to disagree with the goal of any business is to be a monopoly.

There are lots of examples of successful business out there who did not monopoly the market.

I'd also have to disagree that startups sell mostly crap they don't need or want. Uber & AirBnB definitely provides something valuable that most humans would appreciate of.

If you're talking about products such as Snapchat or Instagram, that's a different genre of product. It's a vitamin type of product not a pain killer.


> I would have to disagree with the goal of any business is to be a monopoly.

> There are lots of examples of successful business out there who did not monopoly the market.

Such as? If you cannot eliminate competition within your given market, marginal profit will eventually be driven to zero. The internet amplifies this challenge because it is not geographically constrained (minimal transaction costs) and software amplifies this challenge because of zero marginal cost (creating massive economies of scale).

You can find more on this in the works of Michael Porter (http://amzn.com/0684841487, http://amzn.com/0684841460) and Peter Thiel (http://amzn.com/0804139296). Zero to One discusses how many seemingly successful non-monopolies are actually either monopolies pretending not to be one or non-monopolies that are not as successful as they portray themselves to be.


Posts like this are much needed in HN


The hard part in building a two-sided market is getting users AND buyers on your platform. This generally means epic shit-tons of brand marketing to end users, which is where a lot of those millions of VC dollars go. There's really no way to get brand recognition otherwise -- you have to spend some ad dollars to inform users of your product. Ad spend is a zero-sum game from a competitive lens, so if your competitors are out-advertising you, they're going to win. And yes, this is why companies tackling two-sided markets focus on user acquisition over profitability.

You were also trying to fix the wrong problem. Focusing on the user experience is the right call, but your mistake was saying "fuck this, the distributor model is so fucked we can't do it". Ok, if the supply chain of a specific industry is super-expensive, your business model should be to streamline it by going direct and undercutting everyone else (this is what Uber did).

You needed to build a new distribution model. It's fair to say "I'm a college student and don't have time to fix this big problem" -- which is fair, supply chain problems like this are usually best left to people with experience in them or at least a passion for solving them.


Yes, so what you're saying is college student who sells aren't qualify as a part of my market since they can't fix this supply chain issue.

Which I also mentioned the way to solve it is to cut down the market size, so that only first hand suppliers are the ones majority selling


Or you need to fix the supply chain issue yourself by holding inventory. This solves a problem that your producers have and provides better service to your customers. This is what Amazon does.

The real problem is when you have a bunch of producers trying to sell direct to customers and drop ship is that it's a very inconsistent consumer experience. If your selling point is a compelling customer experience, you need consistency in how packages are shipped and changes communicated. All of that leads to inventory, shipping, logistics, and something that looks much more like a traditional e-commerce store.

Once you lose control of the customer experience in this way, it can no longer be your competitive advantage. So you either need another competitive advantage, or you need to fold up shop.


I hope I am not... we still see new marketplaces coming up every day


Apart from the rough time it needs a very long time to get the ball rollin.. it's even tougher to do in a market where the people are not ready yet


The point of having an aggregator is not to have a headache with stock keepings and shippings, on the other hand doing an aggregator leads you to have less control over the products and customer service. Each has its own drawbacks


Yes I understand the thought process, but as you wrote in detail, it was a failed model. The benefits to being an aggregator (lack of stock and shipping headaches) is far outweighed by the negatives (lack of control, competition, lack of loyalty, little money).

If you were building a shopping platform, and getting loyalty, perhaps you should have just sold the items yourself. The experience would have been much better, for sure.


So any successful aggregators out there? I think the closest one seemed to be pinterest


There are lots of successful aggregators: NerdWallet and Credit Karma for credit cards and financial products, all the different car shopping sites, also Trulia/Zillow for real estate.

All of those companies have a clear value proposition for buyers (one place where you can get information instead of lots of scattered websites that might or might not be helpful). They also tend to have strategically strong customer acquisition channels that give them some degree of leverage with sellers (i.e. they can say, do what we want or else we'll stop passing buyers through to you).


I think it's interesting you mention real estate and cars, neither of which are impulse buys.

Aggregation makes sense in markets where the buyer knows that they have to buy, but don't know what/which/where to buy, but seems to do worse in markets where purchasing is done on impulse.


Interesting analysis, how about news aggregation :)


thanks, it's fixed.. my english is rusty


This definitely lifts off the cons I've had so far with Parse, adding logic to the backend instead of just a pure data storage. Awesome job to the Parse team


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