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Glad you're liking it and thank you for the feedback!

1. GPT-4 is definitely on our radar and is something that we are planning to support as an option. There are trade-offs though as it's a lot slower and as people have mentioned, a lot more expensive.

2. You can use the built-in chat the same way you would use ChatGPT. With that said I know that is not the ideal way to achieve what you're looking for. We have some ideas around features that will address this specific problem. If that is something important to you and you'd like to chat about it feel free to email me and we can talk about it: stefan AT type.ai.


I think it’s both correct and realistic to assume that most ideas won’t reach venture scale size. After all, the vast majority of startups fail. However I’d like to point out that any software product that is built is per definition a layer on top of something else and it will always start small. The key question is whether that “layer” is useful and if it can keep getting increasingly useful with time.


Hi! We currently don't have an export feature although that is something that we want to add. With that said we've made it as easy as possible for you to copy and paste our documents into other editors. If you paste a Type doc into Google Docs for example it will retain all your formatting and if you paste it into a text editor, it will land as correctly formatted markdown.


A .tex export format would make this super attractive to researchers writing scientific articles.


Good to know, thanks!


Hey swyx. Stefan, co-founder and CTO chiming in here. I think our strategy here is pretty simple (although not easy). We have our opinion and our vision on what this product ultimately should look like, we trust that that opinion coupled with our capability to execute and listen to our customers will at the end of the day deliver a product that has enough differentiated value that is carves out it’s own segment. This probably sounds a bit hand-wavy but I really think that is how you need to operate. If you’re too focused on what the competition does the product loses its soul.

At the end of the day though that thinking obviously needs to translate into a set of features that sets us apart. When comparing to Notion specifically we already have a few of those that make us stick out and that our customers appreciate such as offline first support, instant search, writing suggestions, and most recently our chat integration.

Btw huge fan of your new podcast! :)


Stefan pretty much captured my perspective! I might just add a couple of related things:

We have a subtle but important difference in focus compared to a product like Notion. We're not aiming to build the best knowledge or workplace management product. We're really focused on building something that helps you author high-quality content (usually, that will be shared publicly).

Secondly, IMO the end-state of many of these products won't look like Microsoft Word/Notion + AI. I think entirely new interfaces and workflows will be discovered over the next 2-3 years that wouldn't have been possible without today's LLMs. The one advantage we have is no priors – we can take big swings on "risky" ideas.

Like Stefan said, I know both of those probably still sound a little hand-wavey but it's part of what keeps us motivated to keep building.


thanks for very thoughtful response and for listening! still trying to figure it out and let me know if theres any topic or guest request you have!


I like this. Keep it up guys!


Congratulations guys! We've been looking for a good automated test solution for our prompts and haven't found anything solid. Vellum looks like it has some solid potential. Looking forward to trying it out.


Thank you for the kind words :)


Just FYI a couple of heavy hitters you might wanna add to the list:

- Adobe spectrum: https://spectrum.adobe.com/

- Radix UI: https://www.radix-ui.com/

- Tailwind UI: https://tailwindui.com/

- Reach UI: https://reach.tech/


Adobe has http://topcoat.io too. How many companies have multiple component libraries/frameworks? Seems like a lot of wasted time and resources.


Every company has a frontend team, and all of those frontend folks want to get promoted. Building an in-house component library is a straightforward card to play.

It's basically the natural outcome of reasonable people responding in reasonable ways to seemingly-reasonable incentive structures.

(I do agree there's probably a more efficient way, but I think it might also be one of those slippery-slope situations where there's a lot of gravity pulling sufficiently-large teams to eventually have their own component library. In other words: Suppose they start off with the best of intentions and repurpose an existing library. Then come the inevitable months of customization, forking, racing to integrate upstream updates, etc. Finally, someone pipes up and says, "Hey, why don't we build our own so we can control our own destiny?" Stakeholders get excited, and then it's off to the races.)


Thanks, added to the list


This is incorrect. There may be exceptions but ships that are bought exist in game and can be used right away.


Same here. Depending on the type of application being built, this can be a huge downside. E.g., if you want to store data locally using IndexedDB getting it to work properly on Safari (and to some extent Firefox) can be a soul destroying experience. See here for some examples: https://gist.github.com/pesterhazy/4de96193af89a6dd5ce682ce2...

Unless I'm building an app that also needs to work on the web, I'm choosing Electron.


And here you have proof for part of the reason Chrome dominates the web now.

No matter the values and benefits, testing on another browser is to much of a hassle for most web devs.


As a counterpoint, I don’t think it’s disingenuous and I have zero problems with it. I would only find it disingenuous if the statement made was false (trusted by developers at). Comparing traffic alone with actual usage of a product is weird. Obviously two very different things.


I'm not sure you understand what's going on in Hong Kong.

Politicians getting arrested simply for holding primary elections: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55555299

Newspapers getting shut down and journalists getting arrested because they criticize the government: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/23/1009582208/hong-kongs-apple-d...

While I agree that the UK policing bill warrants concern, I think your comparison is insulting to the people in Hong Kong that now face jail time for simply printing or saying anything that is perceived as anti-government.


Solely Julian Assange's case would demonstrate the disparity. In the Angloamerican countries - including the US - there's all that talk of freedom as long as you don't actually make use of it. If you use it in a way that threatens the incumbent interests, the results are much worse than some minor jail time.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/no...

Occupy protesters were kicked on the ground, hauled to courts and hooked up with tens of thousands of dollars of fines for 'trespassing' on !public! property. Effectively bankrupting many, and discouraging protest for good. Since the state did not persecute them for their speech, but for 'trespassing', all is still 'democratic' in the legalese. Even if its not in practice.


I’ve lived in the US for 14 years, and I’m all too familiar with the problems we have in this country. I also spent three years in Hong Kong (my mother is from there, and I speak Cantonese), living through the transition period that the new security law brought on. I moved back to the US last year. In the context of liberty and freedom of expression, the situation in the US is simply not comparable to the one in Hong Kong. Despite all its issues, I would pick the US as my home any day of the week.

I have friends in Hong Kong who fear what they post on social media will land them in jail. That was not the case pre-2020.

Can you find many individual instances of injustice in any given democracy? Sure. But you don’t seem to grasp the difference in severity and scale. There were over 10000 protestors arrested in Hong Kong in 2020 alone, out of a population of 7.5 million. None of the examples you picked are analogous to entire newspapers getting shut down and politicians getting sentenced to jail en masse.


I glanced at the latest amendments to the UK bill and it includes such ridiculousnesses as the possibility of 1 year imprisonment for stealing a traffic sign, and the right for police to search your person for carrying a lock.

Your original comment is still textbook whataboutism, however, and deserves its downvotes for that reason alone.


> whataboutism

There is no problem with 'whataboutism'. Entire Angloamerican common law is based on whataboutism. Based on precedents and prior tradition.

Especially in such cases of moral, ethical or civil comparison, 'what about' is a fundamental question to ask in order to establish a logical and neutral framework. Otherwise all comparisons become meaningless and all the accusations that are levied on that framework become plain old which hunt and smears.

As in this case - Occupy protesters were beaten on the ground and hooked up with tens of thousands of dollars of fines in 2011, through an FBI-coordinated crackdown campaign that encompassed 30+ cities in the US, but hey - the US is still 'somehow' democratic. And still lectures and even smears everyone else about democracy.

Leave aside persecuting a foreign journalist for exposing its war crimes - along with its satellite UK, supposedly a beacon of freedom and democracy. Which went so far as to just violate its own laws to extradite Assange, based on the 'opinion' of the judge who 'just' found it 'okay'.

Moral, ethical comparisons require an objective framework. If one doesnt provide that, people challenge it by asking 'what about'.


> There is no problem with 'whataboutism'.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+problem+with+whataboutis...


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