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I would take it more as a comment on the sheer volume of hiring, meaning there was a place for any level of engineer there.


The real problem limiting supply isn't the manufacturing, it's the supply chain. We now have factories optimized to produce vaccines as fast as the supply chain allows. If we start messing with the supply chains and divert inputs to factories not at the same optimization level then overall output could actually fall.


I'm pretty sure this is legitimately a "the market will fix it" problem. If a manufacturer isn't able to efficiently use supply this will likely result in some spoilage and backlogging - that will lower the effective price that manufacturer will be willing to pay (since buying extra stock just to have it expire is a waste) and allow the more efficient manufacturers to continue to consume necessary supplies at an efficient rate. Additionally, any added sustainable demand will result in an increase in profitability in the supply chain before that point - so existing manufacturers will be encouraged to expand and some new manufacturers may enter the field.

We might see a short term dip but I don't think that additional inefficient factories would lead to less overall production unless there was something weird going on like government mandates to supply inefficient manufacturers.


Is it worth optimizing for future output when the life-saving metric during a global pandemic is time-to-first-dose? There are only a few factories in the world that can make something as complex as an mRNA vaccine. There is literally a shortage in glass beakers and shipping lanes are backlogged. These supply chains are very fragile and helping stabilize those would do more for vaccine supply than what's being proposed here.


I would agree if I thought this would create a significant market disturbance - but I would assume the impact of a few more competing vax manufacturers will be extremely minor.


So this assumes there is pent-up demand to use BTC as part of smart contracts that is not yet met by WBTC on Ethereum. I don't see anything that would validate that assumption.


Especially since everything else is on Ethereum anyway. Since this is just a layer 2 solution, you might as well treat Ethereum as a layer 2 for Bitcoin.


99% of Bitcoin remains passively outside of smart contracts. Only about 5B on Ethereum. This can be a fairly large market and we're in early days. More use cases don't need to take anything away from Ethereum!


Maybe that's because 99% is purely held to speculate on the price going up?


In the following order of nuance, the 99% of Bitcoiners:

Don’t know about this

Don’t like the idea of any other distributed ledger attracting capital away from Bitcoin purchases

Don’t know the Ethereum platform is different than any other “altcoin”

Don’t like Ethereum based on valid or fictional criticism

Don’t like WBTC

Don’t like renBTC in its current state

Know about all of this, don't mind it, are not interested in complex transactions, are not interested in turning their bitcoin into an interest bearing asset

The growth to the 1% has been pretty good and fast! Billions of $ of BTC on this stuff over just the last two quarters. Isn’t that how every startup pitch starts? “If we just get 1% of this market ....”


As someone with only a cursory knowledge of wbtc and renbtc, what are the issues that people see with it?


WBTC is essentially custodial. A couple partners hold some multisig keys on all Bitcoin that is deposited to be minted on Ethereum as WBTC. It is mainly BitGo, Kyber Network and Republic Protocol (Ren, the same people behind renBTC). WBTC requires KYC with BitGo to mint and redeem. Centralized, custodial, a few distributed key holders. Feature complete, so its not changing. Institutions like that actually, so it is pretty popular.

renBTC is by Republic Protocol, through their main product RenVM. RenVM allows holders of the REN token to stake 100,000 REN to create a "Darknode", which process all the minting, burning and storage of assets that go between chains. renBTC is Bitcoin to erc20 Ethereum. There are various other assets the Darknode holders process and earn. The amount Darknode holders earn in dollars has been increasing around 20% per month. The issues with RenVM and renBTC is that is actually hasn't reached that state. The darknodes do earn, but the current state does not use the darknodes for the decentralized storage of assets, instead, the Ren team has 12 keys stored around the world and requires collusion between the people on the Ren team to compromise. Now, some people call this is criticism, but this is still better than exchange cold storage which people already trust with billions of dollars of assets. For example, Gemini Exchange (Winklevoss Twins) brag about how their cold storage is 3 keys stored around the globe. lol, only three. People's concern is that while in this current state, the Ren protocol's geographically distributed team can be compromised by a government. Doubtful because nobody in one country has all the keys, and they are quickly speeding towards upgrading away to putting all processing on the darknodes. Anyway, for earning fees as a darknode its current state is quite unique, for users it is a stopgap solution (and not unique enough for BTC on Ethereum) as their bridge simply has more assets and doesn't require KYC or impose any limitations. Both the current and future iteration is using MPC cryptography for security. And again, their team is part of the mastermind behind WBTC. Darknode holders evangelize renAssets and get them into various other DeFi projects, which causes more people to want to mint and burn RenAssets, mostly renBTC so they can earn interest on their bitcoin. As you can see by this thread, many times renBTC is not mentioned at all. But it is the second largest Bitcoin on Ethereum. RenVM is not limited to minting assets onto Ethereum, they have or will be rolling out bridges to other chains as well, to Darknode holders delight.

there are competitors to renBTC such as tBTC, which aims to chisel at just the trustless BTC hegemony and not much else. Its growing decently.


99.9%

even the defi community will admit that 85%? of the "lending" that's taking place is to make crypto people more money lol


Use of WBTC requires you to trust an intermediary to hold your BTC, not exactly the same as native BTC smart contracts.


Native smart contracts would be cool, but Stacks is not native smart contracts. It's a separate blockchain that integrates with the Bitcoin blockchain.

In other words, you are trusting the Stacks blockchain to custody your bitcoins, just like with TBTC or RENBTC or any of the other decentralized Bitcoin bridges.

From their site:

> Like Bitcoin, Stacks is a layer-1 blockchain. Proof of Transfer connects it to Bitcoin with a 1:1 block ratio.


That still feels better than trusting another blockchain (ETH) and a custodian.


Personally, I'd rather trust an established blockchain plus a decentralized custodian system than trust a fledgling blockchain.


Take a look into https://badger.finance/ which is the next generation of this.


What about the fact that the core ethereum team revealed that they’d reverse a smartcontract with a hard fork when members of the core team make an expensive mistake in one while bitcoin has no such culture?


This is a very broad and general sentiment. Do you have the source where they talk about this, so that things can be put into context?


This is canon and dates to the original DAO. A quick google on DAO crisis should give you a bunch of reading material.

Compare that to the time Binance lost $500M in BTC and contemplated doing a chain revert because it would be way cheaper than $500M but didn't because it would break the illusion that BTC tx are irreversible.

BTC tx are reversible, it's just going to become prohibitively expensive for almost anyone to do soon.


That is rather misleading to use as an example... It's widely regarded as a one time thing that was agreed upon partly because the system (and testing tools) were so new at the time.

Bitcoin had a bug that was required an organized chain reorg back when it was early as well, but it's not regarded as fatal to putting trust in the chain now (search for "bitcoin value overflow bug", was kinda interesting)

More recently, Parity, one of the main developers of one the Ethereum clients, had millions locked up due to mistake in their smart contract code. They complained loudly, tried to get another roll back, and finally gave up... The overwhelming concensus was that Ethereum is no longer alpha grade, there will be no take backs ever again.


To be clear, I wasn't asserting that Eth was less valuable as a result of the DAO reorg (quite the contrary actually). I was merely pointing out that a reorg occurred.

Thank you for the education on the bitcoin reorg, I didn't actually know that and agree that it's orthogonal to the trust narrative now.

My broad point was that the trust is not in the code, it's in the community and their policies.


> the trust is not in the code, it's in the community and their policies

I can heartily agree with that.

That's why I think having the "layer 0" social consensus of a network aim for maximum clarity, so participants have as few points where there's three potential for surprise disagreement later.

Ethereum is very strongly "no abnormal state changes" starting with the Parity issue. I think there have been a few more similar cases of contract bugs, some even involving client devs, and any suggestion of a new fork has met with strong opposition from all ends of the community.

Another thing I think is useful for a blockchain is to have multiple independent clients... It helps prevent devs from having outsize voice in discussion (though the users and the node runners are always the final vote).

I think working out the meta structure of how to work these social level contracts is definitely something the whole cryptocurrency industry needs to work on.


I know these letters are probably hard to write but when you do have to write one I think referring to people as "people" instead of "resources" would be better.


you could also use something like https://coil.com to monetize your content and get paid in realtime based on views


Companies like https://coil.com are solving this by giving you a single $5/month subscription and then streaming micropayments to the content creators as you consume their content. It builds on the WebMonitization standard https://webmonetization.org


Maybe I'm wrong. I do hope the model works. But all I can think of when I see their business model is Spotify. Where content creators are being paid cents, and have to rely on alternative streams of income like concert and merch. Except in this case, there is no alternative, the patron model was supposed to be the alternative to ads and sponsorship.

I do wonder how much can be contributed to the content creator, even without considering the cut they take for their services. If I'm watching more than 5 content creators in the month, then they're getting less than a dollar each.


There have been countless attempts to create a micropayments ecosystem during the last 20 years, and they have all flopped. What makes this different?


Coil and Mozilla working on a web standard together, the fact that we now have a couple of years of examples of digital content creators being de-monitized on ad-supported platforms, and the fact that crypto currencies are more approachable now.


This seems similar to what Brave is doing. I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of the two. For example I know that Brave pays users for watching ads, for example.

There are alternatives being built around direct micropayments to authors, such as https://read.cash. It's a click to send any amount from $0.01 and up, and the wallets are non-custodial, so money goes straight to the creator, minus a fee for the website. This might be a solution to the fatigue described by article, as you pay especifically by the content you like, and you decide the amount.


> This seems similar to what Brave is doing. I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of the two. For example I know that Brave pays users for watching ads, for example.

Personally, I've never earned enough BAT in a month to pay out creators what I would actually owe them. In fact, I've tried to research why I'm not earning BAT even though I theoretically should be. I don't know what's up. I guess I'm just not being shown ads. That's one thing about BAT that's bad. It all depends on this one centralized ad ecosystem. If people aren't buying ads on the BAT network, then you won't get served ads and you won't make money.

In any case, I don't know if the Coil economics work, but at least all these $5 subs are sustainable and reliable.


I was just coming here to make this comment.

The Web Monetization standard is the solution to the problem described of wanting to support a lot of creators effortlessly. There are many creators I want to support, but don't want to deal with managing a unique subscription to them—and also don't want to support them with a minimum $5/month.


My only issue with Coil (and I suspect why it hasn't taken off) is because XRP seems extremely scammy (pre-mined, centralized, etc).

I'd love to see WebMonitization work with at least 1 other coin besides XRP. Supposedly Interledger works with any coin, but I'll believe it when I see it.


What's your number? That's exactly what Ripple is working on - replacing SWIFT. https://ripple.com/ripplenet


And how many years have they been at it? My impression in 2019, trying to add it to an Android app, was badly documented or deprecated libraries. And then there is the whole debacle with XRP, the currency, and Ripple, the underlying tech, being used interchangeably and confusing everyone. Banks aren’t even interested in XRP.

And bank adoption hasn’t been exactly smooth so far either: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-blockchain-ripple-idUSKBN...


That article is from 2018 :) Check out the mobile wallet XUMM for a solid approach.


Coil and Mozilla are working on something very similar to sponsorship but instead with micropayments that are streamed to content creator's wallets via a new open Web Monetization standard. https://webmonetization.org/docs/getting-started.html

Would be neat to see more sites adopt the web monetization standard via coil or other sites like it that enable content creators to offer paid content and get paid passively as more people discovered their content.


Seems consistent with his speech impediment, no?


"Corporate Export On the Plus plan, Workspace Owners can apply to access a self-service tool called Corporate Export. This type of export includes content from public and private channels and direct messages. If Corporate Export is enabled for your workspace, Standard Export will not be available." https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201658943-Export-yo...


Yes, which means they hold your data hostage until you pay, exactly like I said.


I don't use or even like Slack, but what is the problem with that?

I mean they are already giving you the oppportunity to use a limited version for free, you can't expect them to give you one of the most useful features imho when you are just using their resources and infrastructure in exchange for nothing; it doesn't make any business sense.

If I'm a non-paying user of Slack (or whatever other SaaS with a free tier) I am not entitled to anything whatsoever, I'd be grateful for the fact that they allow me partial functionality at all.


How is it hostage if you voluntarily used the software for free? They’re spending money accommodating your free usage.


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