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It’s more alive than ever, I’d say. Just about any weekend in the Milwaukee/Chicago area has at least a couple parties. Proper underground shit. Not sure what it is, exactly, but it’s been feeling like a time portal back to the 90’s and I love it. Drop Bass Network and Chicago Redline will keep you plenty busy.


This rings in Minneapolis. The midwest definitely has a solid, consistent scene for house/techno/electronic with DJs bouncing between Minneapolis, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago for sets.

The demographic is definitely millennial, with maybe ~25% being Gen Z.

It's also definitely not... popular. The biggest nights have a _way_ smaller turnout than college bars or city clubs. I'm not sure how strong the crowd actually was 10-20 years ago, but these clubs aren't in the mainstream appeal. Maybe from lack of marketing, maybe taste+preference.


Created an HN account just to ask... what are the entry ways to know what sets are going on in Minneapolis? The person you replied to mentioned Drop Bass Network and Chicago Redline, both of which have easily follow-able accounts. Anything like that in this area?


https://www.mnvibe.com/shows

Like the other person said, house proud is probably my favorite. If you see a tall thin guy likely wearing a sweater and hat, say hey to me!


I'd recommend Backyard Boombox or House Proud for shows in Minneapolis.


+1 house proud. Funny seeing it on this website haha. If you see a tall thin guy likely in a sweater/hat, say hey to me!


Yeah, I'm in the UK and there are still regular late night dance / EDM nights in my city.

I was at one a couple of weekends ago, 11pm - 4am.

A good mix of ages too, people clearly in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Everyone having a great time, I would guess at least 70% of the people were on something too, (MDMA, Ecstasy etc).


Fixed venue clubs are definitely dying in the UK. Maybe being replaced by more subversive raves at temporary locations due to lower overheads.

(Neither really my scene).


MDMA and Ecstasy are the same thing afaik


"Ecstasy" traditionally contains MDMA - and potentially a host of other substances - in pressed tablet form.

MDMA is typically just that one substance in crystalline powder form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Forms


That applies to most tablets too. Not sure why mdma tablets warrant a different when other drugs in tablet form that often come with other stuff don't.


I always thought calling it MDMA denoted more purity vs Ecstasy, but I was never a candy kid.


MDMA being the substance, Ecstacy being the delivery, you could simplify it as. Ecstacy always have MDMA in it, but typically also other stuff. MDMA is just MDMA, and in itself have different purity depending on how it was made.


I wonder if what's being called ecstacy is something else entirely now? I feel so out of the loop.


Last time I checked, ecstacy is usually how it is called when in pill form, with the idea that it is not pure MDMA. That is, it may be cut, a combination of drugs or something else entirely.

MDMA/molly is usually in crystal/powder form, with the idea that it is more pure.

But how drugs are called on the street and what they are in reality is constantly changing, there are countless myths, and dealers are not exactly a reliable source of information regarding what they sell.

In reality, that's essentially the same thing. If you look at https://www.drugsdata.org/ you will see that it is mostly just MDMA, the form doesn't matter much.


PSA: Ebeneezer Goode by The Shamen was released 32 years ago in 1992.


I used that word with a young lady who said she was going to a rave and she couldn't stop laughing. It was like I'd suggested a tea-dance.


let's just call it Molly

why?

even though MDMA is the real technical name (and Molly + Ecstasy are nicknames), the name "Ecstasy" is kinda misleading because it's usually MDMA mixed with other stuff, and that's not always good...

the name "Molly" has a pure vibe to it. It's like a warm hug from a friend.

Dr. Andrew Huberman said in his video that MDMA is not actually ecstastic, rather it produce warm feelings and promote inner acceptance and peaceful connections with others.


In papers maybe, but in the streets, Ecstasy is the pill form of MDMA and is usually cut with other substances (e.g., speed, LSD, etc.). Therefore, when saying "Ecstasy," someone would expect a pill in a funny shape, whereas with "MDMA," they would expect powder.


I would never expect powder when I said MDMA, I would expect crystals or pills. Ecstasy is often said to be cut with other substances, but almost never is, because most other drugs are more expensive and less potent than MDMA. There are often impure batches containing meth or other amphetamines, often other "designer drugs" being pressed into pills and sold as ecstasy while not being MDMA, but rarely intentionally cutting the MDMA with other drugs.

Drug pro-tip: anything powder is garbage, crack comes in rocks (crack users aren't all that picky though, from beeswax to swiss cheese to chalk, from white as snow to bright yellow, usually off-white, it comes in a variety of appearances and textures and users savor the cut - the most favored stuff is usually not the purest), coke comes in chunks (white, off-white, even yellowish, good quality stuff has a flaky structure and pearlescent shine), heroin comes in chunks (from white to tan to black, occasionally gooey), weed comes in nuggets (but used to come in chunks, maybe still does if reggies/illegal weed still exists in your area), meth is long usually clear crystals, molly is shorter and more cuboid crystals, usually colored (pink, tan/brown, only very rarely clear).


You are right, I used the wrong wording here. I meant crystals, not powder. I used the word 'powder' unconsciously because when I was raving, I would break those crystals into powder form to control the dosage better.

Anyway, regarding the difference between ecstasy and MDMA, from personal experience, I cannot remember a time when the effects were the same. Every time I took a pill, the effect was totally different from MDMA. MDMA provided a more 'pure' experience, whereas with advertised 'ecstasy' pills, I experienced hallucinations, memory loss, and a very heavy hangover.


2CB, MMC3/4, synthetic Psylobin and others are fine in powder form


Thought you were referring to https://o.mg.lol/ lol


ohh this is cool


Read “Enso” and my mind immediately called up Humanized, Inc. Enso (a modeless command launcher—entirely different from what we’re talking about here( was such a great tool.

https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/s/dkKyKqYI8S


this is your time to shine, Serif (Affinity Tools)…


Go, Mike!


There is so much "let me just see if this works..." tap tapppy tap .... "no... NO WAY... OMG IT WORKED!" with Svelte.

Very little surface area. It embraces your knowledge of plain ole CSS/JS/HTML and empowers you with reactivity and a means of if being able to add motion to your ui.

Newbs and Pros alike can build fast with it. That speed + reactivity allows your software to better keep up with your converstaions that make it all so. Thats insanely powerful.

It's soooo good. Congratulations to Richard Harris and everyone on the Svelte/SvelteKit Team! <3


> It embraces your knowledge of plain ole CSS/JS/HTML

Yeah that's one of the things I love about Svelte. It tends to enhance fundamental web knowledge rather than forcing you to think in convoluted ways.

Features like actions put you close to the bare metal so to speak. I use those all the time.


Backing up how great it is that so much of Sveltekit is built using basic web standards. More often than not when I'm wondering what the shape of an object or function is in Sveltekit, I realize that it's exactly the same as you'd find on MDN documentation.

It's an incredibly refreshing experience compared to other frameworks that create custom concepts for everything they do.


This is what they said about React when it first blew up. Compared to Angular, it's much closer to being *just javascript™*. But I wonder how well that'll hold up after the honeymoon phase

The builder.io team made a tool called Mitosis[^0] that lets you input a component written in almost any framework and automatically recreate that same component in any other framework including Vue, React, Qwik, Angular, Svelte, React Native, Lit, web components, and even Swift

It's always interesting to try out different frameworks and compare the plain HTML version of certain components with this tool

[^0]: https://mitosis.builder.io/


> This is what they said about React when it first blew up

FWIW, I think that "it's much closer to being just javascript™" statement has absolutely held up over time (Angular, esp. the old angular.js is painful compared to React for this reason), AND that Svelte is likely a step closer again (which they can do because they have an entire compiler and aren't reliant on embedded a DSL inside of JavaScript).


I agree Svelte is a step closer, but most people agree that modern React has at least somewhat strayed from just javascript™. Server components by default, hooks, JSX, synthetic events, etc have added many more layers of abstraction. I fully support these developments. I just think they're a necessary byproduct of a project maturing. I fear that if Svelte ever blows up past a niche framework, it will also stray from it's "use the platform" philosophy out of necessity as well


Unlike React/JSX, Svelte uses ASTs that adhere to HTML, JavaScript, and CSS (non-JSX) format. Yes, there is a minimal Svelte-only API footprint, but the native AST parsers means that parsing is much more respectful of correct code validation, versus JSX's own idiomatic set of ThingsYouCannotDo™.


I've been using Svelte for three years now, or close enough. The honeymoon phase hasn't waned.


It is absolutely crazy how much more idiomatic the Svelte code is in the example on Mitosis compared to the other frameworks on there.


I had exact same experience with it "it just worked", I started playing with few days ago and compared with other frameworks where I had to fight my to do what I wanted to do, from libraries to non oblivious behaviours. In SvelteKit it just works and it's refreshing. Especially love the builtin animation stuff.


Except it forces you to use node js, or do I read it wrong? Can we get a streamlined js framework that is just about the frontend and let’s you use whatever backend language you want? I know there is react, vue and angular but they seem so bloated


We are using SvelteKit frontend with Python backend (Pyramid + SQLAlchemy). When I started the project, I considered doing Python backend + templated HTML frontend a la Django, but SvelteKit server-side rendering was so good that I decided against this. Before I have done JSP, PHP, Django, Next, React and everything between, so I have some experience to compare. Despite all progress on Node.js backends, they still cannot compete with Python for complex SQL + ORM use cases.

The frontend is open source and available here if someone is interested what a complex SSR heavy SvelteKit application deployment looks like:

http://github.com/tradingstrategy-ai/frontend

The SSR server is a lightweight Node.js web server (Vite), but you can have it nicely along your backend API web server (Pyramid in our case). Both are reverse proxied behind the same domain using Caddy.


I'm looking at the frontend source code, and the Svelte components look almost the same as VueJS single file components using the composition API. Can someone who has used both comment on both their pros/cons?


Svelte is a frontend framework, which you can use to build anything from a full SPA to a single button. SvelteKit is a Node backend framework that integrates tightly with Svelte.


SvelteKit is a Javascript backend framework. It only uses Node at build time (with hopes of replacing even that with e.g. Deno), the deployed serverside component will happily run outside of Node.


Thanks that's exactly the answer I was looking for


Nodejs is only needed in the development phase.


That's true if you're developing a SPA or static site with SvelteKit. However, there are APIs that involve Node being run in production, i.e. the authors of SvelteKit envision it being used to build hybrid apps that involve front-end JS and Node.js server/s.


Yes, the whole point of SvelteKit is that it's SSR+hydrate. But it doesn't need Node for that. It'll run on just about any Javascript engine, including Cloudflare Workers which is quite close to pure V8 + standard web APIs.


That is opt in! The adapter system in SK is great.


I had the opposite feeling a month or so ago, especially with stores- there's so much "magic" that I kept running into confusing walls.

If I `export let` a variable to be reactive over here, why isn't it reactive over there?


You seem to be conflating a few different concepts. Store are absolutely reactive across all components and pages. They are prefaced with $, and there are a bunch of native stores that you can use such as $page.

You can even create variables reactive to one another by declaring a variable like so:

$: y = x * 2

Using the export let x = default; option is for passing data from the parent component/page to a child. If you want variable changes in the child to be reflected in the parent, you can use a store ($ notation), or you can use bind like so:

<ChildComponent bind:x={someValue}>

In my opinion, all of this is much much easier than in competing frameworks.


For instance I had a variable in a store.

On my page, I had a script tag pulling from the store. The variable was reactive within the script tag.

I export let that into the template via “data” props.

I changed the value of the variable within the script tag.

The template did not reflect the new value.


I'm really struggling to follow what you're trying to do - but why do you not just use the same writable store in both your page and template/component?

Also, maybe look into store subscriptions and/or reactive declarations for what you're trying to do.

Regardless, it sounds like you really need to just read the docs or do a tutorial.


I adore nvALT. so much so i took a stab at making a clone in JavaScript to revel in all the subtle details you take for granted as a user but take a considerable amount of concentration to orchestrate all together as code.

https://github.com/bkeating/nakedNV


been working on one since 2018 https://hyperdraft.rosano.ca


this is awesome! nice job on the minimalist approach. it looks very clean.

im obsessed with offline-first/offline-only (optional) and have been trying to build all my products with the underlying philosophy of single-file tooling and “infra-less” in-mind; meaning it doesn’t care where it lives and highly portable by default.

here’s a note taking app that is all in a single html file. images are base64’d and data is kept in indexdb. https://github.com/bkeating/nakedNV


Yer darn right they don't change and this is one cool URL because I remember reading this years ago in exactly the same place.

Here is a relevant Long Bet that I think about often (only has one year left to go!) https://longbets.org/601/ "The original URL for this prediction (www.longbets.org/601) will no longer be available in eleven years."


Alfred[1] (Mac app) w/It’s ‘Power Pack’ add-on gives you a clipboard history manager, text expansion, launcher and more. Very power. You can even navigate your file system, copy, move files... Easily the most crucial piece to my setup and keeping my hands on the keyboard. It’s been a solid app for a very long time.

[1]: https://www.alfredapp.com/


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