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Gpt-oss is natively 4-bit, so you kinda can

You can fit the weights + a tiny context window into 24GB, absolutely. But you can't fit anything of any reasonable size. Or Ollama's implementation is broken, but it needs to be restricted beyond usability for it not to freeze up the entire machine when I last tried to use it.

Wow, it’s almost like having health insurance tied to employers creates a giant obstacle to pursuing less exploitative opportunities.


Sure. But this post resonated with me even though we have universal healthcare in Canada.


While that definitely doesn't help, I think the post shows that it's clearly not the only problem.


Mcafee for iPhone has 5 stars. iBeer has 5 stars. Every app in a search of “DMV” has five stars. Every “gpt” ai clone app has 5 stars.


No doubt there's a lot of review spam as well. Apple has also gotten lazy with cracking down on review dark patterns. I noticed apps are getting away with the "pop up review dialog -> positive: go to OS level review window -> negative: go to in-app feedback form" pattern.


The “CTO” at my small employer used this book to explain why we needed to stick with Perl and Oracle 9i in 2020.


It sounds like your CTO took the opposite message of the book. Well the modern interpretation anyway. But can't really argue with not rewriting working code, even the Oracle licensing is probably is probably nothing in terms of cost. Might wanna update to a supported version though.


Would that have failed? It still works


So what is your thesis? The tools keep getting better, so that’s some kind of gotcha that the emporer has no clothes? Some people prefer the absolute latest and greatest so people on the previous gen were all fakers making Pelican svgs?

Maybe the productive thing is actually to ignore naysayers and goalpost movers and use the tools.

You aren’t enlightened for not liking a tool. “Oh, hammers? Absolutely a bubble, after all they never fixed the hit-your-thumb issue i blogged about, and nail guns just let you hurt your thumbs faster”


No, that is not my thesis, and nowhere in my post do I talk about a dislike for a particular tool or “being enlightened”.

I’ll say it again:

> So to have a productive conversation we need to go in with the mindset of “we’re on the same side in the goal of not having this suck”.

If you’re unwilling to engage in those terms and steel man the argument, I don’t see the point in engaging in conversation. If what you want is to straw man and throw unsubstantiated jabs at someone, there are other communities better suited for that.


I used bun for the first time last week. It was awesome! The built-in server and SQLite meant i didn’t need any dependencies besides bun itself, which is certainly my favorite way to develop.

I do almost all of my development in vanilla js despite loathing the node ecosystem, so i really should have checked it out sooner.


I tried using Bun a few times, and I really liked working with it.

Much better than Node.

However...!

I always managed to hit a road block with Bun and had to go back to Node.

First it was the crypto module that wasn't compatible with Nodejs signatures (now fixed), next Playwright refused working with Bun (via Crawlee).


Playwright support will improve soon. We are rewriting node:http’s client implementation to pass node’s test suite. Expecting that to land next week.


That may be just the best way to drop that you are introducing a rewrite which fixes a set of bugs that affect users


You can use Bun as package manager only. You don't have to use Bun as runtime.


Indeed! also as a test runner/lib if you're not doing browser automation. bun definitely has benefits even if not used as a runtime.


I believe Playwright worked for me with the latest Bun though


Sure?

Does it work if I have packages that have nodejs c++ addons?


Why wouldn’t it? The end result of a npm install or a bun install is that the node_modules folder is structured in the way it needs to be, and I think it can run node-gyp for the packages that need it.


I think this is the big one that slows adoption of "better" / "faster" tooling down, that is, backwards compatibility and drop-in-replacement-ability. Probably a lot of Hyrum's Law.


Deno doesn't work with crawlee either unfortunately


You should try Deno, they have good Node compatibility


Does it? Last I tried, several years ago, coverage of the Node APIs was not good. I wanted to send data over UDP and a lot of Node basics there were missing.


Deno's node compat is way better now.

They're still missing niche things and they tend to target the things that most devs (and their dependencies) are actually using.

But I can see they have it in their compat stuff now and it looks like it's working in the repl locally: https://docs.deno.com/api/node/dgram/


This page tracks Deno's compatibility with Node by running its tests: https://ffmathy.github.io/is-deno-compatible-yet/


Playwright has been fixed one year ago I think.


Storybook is another for me.


Node also has a built-in server and SQLite these days though? Or if you want a lot more functionality with just one dependency, Hono is great.


And how many dependencies does Hono have? Looks like about 26. And how many dependencies do those have?

A single static zig executable isn’t the same as a a pipeline of package management dependencies susceptible to supply chain attacks and the worst bitrot we’ve had since the DOS era.


> And how many dependencies does Hono have?

Zero.

I'm guessing you're looking at the `devDependencies` in its package.json, but those are only used by the people building the project, not by people merely consuming it.


That doesn't prevent supply chain attacks. Dev dependencies are still software dependencies and add a certain level of risk.


This is needlessly pedantic unless you are writing from an OS, browser, etc. that you wrote entirely by yourself, without using an editor or linter or compiler not written by you, in which case I tip my cap to you.


Only in the sense that any other software on the developers' machines adds a certain level of risk.


More people are employed by health insurance than healthcare. Insurance is the waste.


Mojo is the enshitification of programming. Learning a language is too much cognitive investment for VC rugpulls. You make the entire compiler and runtime GPL or you pound sand, that has been the bar for decades. If the new cohort of programmers can’t hold the line, we’ll all suffer.


What are you ranting about? Lattner has a strong track record of producing valuable, open source software artifacts (LLVM, Swift, MLIR) used across the industry.


For decades, paying for compiler tools was a thing.


True, but aren't we in a better place now? I think the move to free tools was motivated by programmers, and not by their employers. I've read that it became hard to hire people if you used proprietary tools. Even the great Microsoft open-sourced their flagship C# language. And it's ironic but telling that the developers of proprietary software don't trust proprietary tools. And every developer looks at the state of the art in proprietary engineering tooling, such as CAD, and retches a little bit. I've seen many comments on HN along those lines.

And "correlation is not causality," but the occupation with the most vibrant job market until recently was also the one that used free tools. Non-developers like myself looked to that trend and jumped on the bandwagon when we could. I'm doing things with Python that I can't do with Matlab because Python is free.

Interestingly, we may be going back to proprietary tools, if our IDE's become a "terminal" for the AI coding agents, paid for by our employers.


Not really, as many devs rediscover public domain, shareware, demos and open core, because it turns out there are bills to pay.

If you want the full C# experience, you will still be getting Windows, Visual Studio, or Rider.

VSCode C# support is under the same license as Visual Studio Community, and lack several tools, like the advanced graphical debugging for parallel code and code profiling.

The great Microsoft has not open sourced that debugger, nor many other tools on .NET ecosystem, also they can afford to subsidise C# development as gateway into Azure, and being valued in 4 trillion, the 2nd biggest in the world.


> If you want the full C# experience, you will still be getting Windows, Visual Studio, or Rider.

I don't believe the first two are true, and as a point of reference Rider is part of their new offerings that are free for non-commercial use https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/#:~:text=free%20for%20non-co...

I also gravely, gravely doubt the .NET ecosystem has anything in the world to do with Azure


Prove me wrong showing how to do Sharepoint or Office 365 addons with Rider, as bonus points provide the screenshots of parallel debugging and profiling experience, alongside .NET visualizers for debugging, and a bit of hot code reloading in Windows frameworks as well.

Azure pays for .NET, and projects like Aspire.


I’d prefer to not touch a hot stove twice. Telling me what processors I can use is Oracle- level rent seeking, and it should be mocked just like Oracle.


I am quite sure Larry thinks very foundly of such folks when having vacations on his yatch or paying the bills to land the private jet off airport opening times.


Yes and it sucked, and those companies who relied on that largely got conned into it and then saw their tooling slowly decay and their application becomes legacy garbage.

Its not just that OS tooling is "free", it's also better and works for way longer. If you relied on proprietary Delphi-compatible tooling, well... you fucked up!


You mean like the tooling for iOS, Nintendo, PlayStation, XBox, Windows, CUDA?


Um... yes? If you built your app around COM+, you're fucked. I would know, I worked on an application like that. Perpetually stuck in decades long gone.

Or NextSTEP. Or DX 9. Or whatever the fuck.

That shit sucked when it came out and it's only gotten worse. The cherry on top is the companies that promised they're the bees knees actually know that, which is why they left them to die. And, unfortunately, your applications along with them.


And it sucked so hard that GNU and LLVM were born.


LLVM was a research project embraced by Apple to avoid GCC and anything GPL.

Apple and Google have purged most GPL stuff out of their systems, after making clang shine.


Yes, and it was terrible, a bit like now the GPU compiler landscape is terrible with proprietary mutually incompatible buggy compilers and sw stacks being forced on developers.


That’s insane. Do you remember DOGE or Elon taking his cronies into the same departments investigating him? Do you even remember?


What would Elon even be in court for? Being a politically incorrect dumbass on ex-twitter is not punishable by law.

Sending a bunch of scriptkiddies around and having them cut government funding and gut agencies is not really how you make evidence "vanish", how would that even work?

And, lastly, jumping in front of an audience at every opportunity and running your mouth is the absolute last thing anyone would ever do if the goal was to avoid prosection. But it is perfectly in line with a person that has a very big ego and wants to achieve political goals.


Labor violations, taxes, National Highway traffic safety administration investigation Tesla.. are you willfully ignorant or a troll?


I'm not a troll.

I scrutinise beliefs and assumptions even if they are convenient, and you should, too.

I don't believe that Musks main motivation to participate in the 2024 election was to avoid prosecution, because his actions are not really compatible with this, and there is a much more plausible alternative hypothesis that he preferred (possibly no longer) the republican platform for non-prosecution reasons/personal conviction instead, which his actions are very compatible with.

> Labor violations, taxes, National Highway traffic safety administration investigation Tesla

Let me say it like this: Billionaires generally don't have to care about minor infractions like this at all. The whole system is set up to shield them from liability, and wealth is an excellent buffer against effective prosection regardless of who is president. There have been a plethora of infinitely more serious infractions with zero real consequences for the CEOs involved, and this is not because they participated in past presidential election campaigns. See: the VW diesel emission fraud or much worse, leaded gas in the last century (and what associated industry did to keep that going).


A government that seriously investigated the claims that Tesla has been making and stop them from selling cars with it? Maybe causing their stock price to reflect their status as a mediocre electric car company, causing the entire house of cards to come down?

You can’t seriously think it’s just politics. Elon’s _entire_ fortune is built on these misrepresentations. A competent government that forces them to stop selling self driving, after a series of high profile lawsuits, is something Elon would pay very close attention to, probably even more than the day to day operations of the (mediocre electric car) company that he runs.

Elon is about the stock, the stock price, and the yarn he spins to keep it up. There is nothing else for him.


Meetings with Vlad, election interference, a pile of books at the SEC. Even rich people go to jail for these kind of things


Does not pass the smell test, those accusations hardly even qualify as a crime to be honest. If we had a fully democrat-controlled administration at every level (with every judge being a stout democrat), then I would still give you a <5% probability for Musk to end up behind bars for any of those (!!).

There is a pretty recent precendent on the other side of the political spectrum: Hillary Clinton. Republicans went on and on for how she belonged in prison. Anyone with half a brain was able to tell that this was not gonna happen, because there simply was no case. Republicans got basically absolute power since, and --surprise-- Hillary did not go to prison.

What makes you so confident that you are right about Elon, while the people back then were obviously wrong with Hillary (even without hindisght!).


There was no case against Hillary you're correct.

But that doesn't mean that there is no case against Elon. I'm not sure why you would draw an equals between the two. The SEC really does put people in jail, the stuff with Vlad is bordering on treason.

I think you may have forgotten that we actually used to have a government and there was rule of law.


Oh, so you're willfully ignorant.


> What would Elon even be in court for? Being a politically incorrect dumbass on ex-twitter is not punishable by law.

Look at the things he’s already been in court for: labor and environmental violations, safety problems. A really big one for him is the exposure to suits over his statements as the CEO of a public company: anyone who’s bought TSLA in the the last decade or so could, for example, claim that he was knowingly misleading investors about FSD’s readiness or safety record.

Each of those are areas where he absolutely does not want someone with government investigatory powers talking to his employees, demanding internal documents, etc. and in several of them he could have business activities blocked if, for example, they linked approvals to more comprehensive evidence (imagine if they couldn’t sell FSD for use on public roads until it was safer and had to compensate past buyers).


Boom and bust capitalism is completely orthogonal to AI as a technology. Capitalists are sociopathic opportunists that exploit every aspect of life, that doesn’t have anything to do with AI.

Housing bubbles existed, we still use houses. The dot com bubble existed, we are still on a dot com.


What makes you think the capitalists won't train a capitalist AI?


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