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How much riding does it take to hold 25mph? 12 months of solid riding? (This is being generous, many people will never hold this speed)

How much riding does it take to twist your arm 30 degrees?

You don’t see a difference?


Why would people have a hard time doing 25mph on a pedal assist bike that isn't limited to less than that?

They're talking about riding a regular bike at 25mph. Most people can't sustain that.

Most people cannot sustain it on a 750w mid drive e-bike either.

Are ebikes not legally restricted to 250W-ish in most countries?

That's the limit for continuous rated power. The motor's frequently have 600W-750W of peak power output, and can legally use this much for short amounts of time (usually seconds, like accelerating from a stop; but often also for going up a steep hill for several minutes).

Why does it matter how much riding it takes?

The point in distinguishing the different classes is about where the bike should fit into the ecosystem. Should it ride on the shoulder, interacting with pedestrians and slower bikes, or should it ride on the road, interacting with cars and motorcycles.

It doesn’t matter how much riding it takes, it matters how fast and controlled it is moving compared to the other traffic in that class.


The answer is cyclist gatekeeping? Or did I misunderstand your point?

Elderly on a basically unlicensed motorcycle is a good recipe for injury. Pretty sure the stats look bad for this group especially

Mmm oatmeal. Breakfast of champions. I usually do it for about 330 days a year. Take a month off every once in a while..

If tokens and beef came from the same limited “credit pool”, I would for sure be vegan so I could work more tokens


I mean it’s IBM. On average, 70% of their decisions are bad ones. Not sure I’d pay a single bit of attention to what they do.


To a non-technical individual IBM is still seen as a reputable brand (their consulting business would've been bankrupt long ago otherwise) and they will absolutely pay attention.


Yeah, they are only 114 years old. How they can have the knowledge to stay afloat in trying times like this?


Agree, They could have owned the home computer market, but were out-manvoured by a couple of young programmers. They are hardly the company you want to look to for guidance on the future.


Security as in sending code to a random Datacenter, or security as in security holes? Because the latter has gotten a lot better with good workflows. The former is hard without self hosting


My log bill for Google cloud log would be like 30k. For splunk I like 80k. I self host for 1.5k per month. Spend maybe an hour a month? Easiest money I ever made.


When you’re in the middle of a production down event and your whole team is diagnosing the issue, and your log server is unresponsive, who do you contact for support?

No one, you pull an engineer off the production issue to debug the log server, because you need the log server to debug the production servers.

See the problem?

Edit: to be clear I’m no fan of Datadog and I wish self hosting were an option. I want this path for our company, but at least on our team we just don’t have enough (redundant) expertise to deploy and manage these systems. We’d have to hire an extra FTE.


If you’re having a correlated outage like that, then it’s likely you fix the prod issue before the cloud engineers at some giant cloud company even respond to an internal escalation much less fixes an issue. More than likely your prod issue is causing the logging problem.

If you mean you are experiencing two totally unrelated issues at the same time, then I don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to really assign much value to as it’s incredibly unlikely.

Half of $30k/mo trivially pays for an engineer you hire to only manage such a cluster for you and just works an hour a week unless a pager goes off if you truly need that level of peace of mind. If you’re hiring for such a position I have a few rock star level folks who would love such a job.

The hypothetical problems people imagine for on-prem infrastructure get really strange to me. I could come up with the same sort of scenarios for cloud based SaaS infrastructure just as easily.


> I don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to really assign much value to as it’s incredibly unlikely.

In my experience the systems/tools needed to debug production issues are often only used when they’re needed.

Which now means you need health and uptime monitoring on your log server since without that, it might break randomly and no one notices until you need it.

> The hypothetical problems people imagine for on-prem infrastructure get really strange to me

It really comes down to the people and whether you have the expertise on the team. And whether the team can realistically manage the system long term. It’s typically safer to spend more money for the managed service.

(It’s a safer decision, not necessarily better)


> It really comes down to the people and whether you have the expertise on the team

Aren't these people suppose to debug and fix complex problems in prod? And if they can do that, why can't they run and debug a log server?

Of course there are trade offs with any outsourcing decision. But I think we should have higher expectations of engineers


I don’t think it’s necessarily safer or better for anything but your job security.


100% agree. If I am using a cloud log provider I wouldn't expect them to solve my logging issue(s) as fast as I need, more importantly I have no real way to put more resources on that fix.

More importantly, with a third party service I'd be very surprised if both went down at the same time and it wasn't a further upstream issue like AWS. If its my own logging service and it went down during a prod outage, I likely didn't properly isolate my logging service in the first place.


> Half of $30k/mo trivially pays for an engineer you hire to only manage such a cluster for you and just works an hour a week unless a pager goes off if you truly need that level of peace of mind. If you’re hiring for such a position I have a few rock star level folks who would love such a job.

1 person? Is that person always on call?


Yep, absolutely. I’ve come up with the term “man on the mountain” for such positions.

It’s when one person is exceedingly talented at exactly one thing - but isn’t exactly a typical employee who is good or interested in doing much else other than keeping that one thing online and reliable.

Their job is to go live on their mountain for weeks or months at a time without so much as doing anything other than keeping their phone on and answering it within the first couple rings regardless of when called. If they are good at their job you likely don’t even need to call - they already know it’s broken before you do.

I’ve employed a few such folks over my career. They tend to be the “alternative” style candidate - exceptional people with exceptional flaws. They love the simple tradeoff.

That said of course this is ignoring bus factor and overly simplifying things. Typically this is one deep subject level matter expert who sits off on the side of a small team, so there is at least one “understudy” hanging around as well.

I still advocate for such positions when they make sense though. I would much rather in-house my own “insurance” vs overpay some giant company for each month only to find out the insurance didn’t exist when I needed to make a claim. It’s certainly more risk to my career - but I have very strong feelings that as a manager or executive my job is NOT to cover my own ass because it’s easier.


The old argument for being locked in to legacy software costing 6-8 figures a year was that you had no choice. Now you have a choice! Clearly that is better, and everyone should evaluate that choice on its merits, and the stock market sees that people are voting with their dollars. If your whole sales pitch is "good luck when it breaks!" you might want to reevaluate your business model.


The stock market is trying to predict that people will vote with their dollars in the future. I’m not quite sure people are really replacing enterprise Saas at large corporations yet. It’s more of a projection.


Fair, however at some point of a companies size/spending the complexity of integrating with a SaaS becomes as large as the one to run your own open source tool.

Beyond that, and Im aware this is very much application/company dependent, theres plenty of SaaS companies that offer horrendous or no support no matter what you pay. We used to use splunk for monitoring and logging. Paid a ton of money because we were handling financial data and needed tracibility and reliability. We constantly had to put out fires that were caused by their unreliable platform. It was not a good experience.

Ultimately, we jumped ship to Prometheus. We pay a fraction of the price and spent less time on it.


Have you ever tried to contact their support?

The problem is all these SaaS companies have cut costs so much that all their support has been reduced to useless offshore at best and at worst a chatbot. They do go down and don't work and often times there's simply nothing you can do. The worst offenders will seize upon the moment and force you to upgrade a support plan before they will even talk to you, even if the issue is their own making.

Unless you're a huge customer and already paying them tons of money, expect to receive no support. Your only line of defense if something happens and you're not a whale is that some whale is upset and they actually have their people working on the problem. If you're a small company, startup, or even mid-size, good luck on getting them to care. You'll probably be sent a survey when you don't renew and may eventually be a quotient in their risk calculus at some point in the distant future, but only if you represent a meaningful mass of customers they lost.


> The problem is all these SaaS companies have cut costs so much that all their support has been reduced to useless offshore at best and at worst a chatbot.

Tremendous opportunity announcement!

If you are building a dev-focused SaaS, treat your support team exactly as they are: a key part of the product. Just like docs or developer experience, the support experience is critical.

Trouble is, it's hard to quantify the negative experience, though tracking word of mouth referrals or NPS scores can try.


You don’t, you just look at the log like us old timers and solve the problem. It’s literally no different than solving the problem on the cloud.


Boogeyman


Oh come on, nobody uses the cloud because of support! Let's be real now.

99% of the time a cloud migration is because of OpEx/CapEx accounting shenanigans.


This is the exception to the rule


Try Claude and you can get x^2 performance. OpenAI is sweating


May be a bit different depending on what kind of work you're doing, but for me 5.2-codex finally reached higher level than opus.


5.2-codex is pretty solid and you get dramatically higher usage rates with cheap plans. I would assume API use is much cheaper as well.


people are sleeping on openai right now but codex 5.2 xhigh is at least as good as opus and you get a TON more usage out of the OpenAI $20/mo plan than Claude's $20/mo plan. I'm always hitting the 5 hour quota with Opus but never have with Codex. Codex tool itself is not quite as good but close.


Is there a plan like the $100 Claude Max? $200 for ChatGPT Pro is a little bit too much for me.

Whereas Claude Max 5x is enough that I don’t really run out with my usage patterns.


If $20/mo Claude is not enough for you but 5x Claude at $100/mo is, the $20 chatgpt plus subscription might give you enough codex for your usage


I do not think so. I have been using both for a long time and with Claude I keep hitting the limits quickly and also most of the time arguing. The latest GPT is just getting things done and does it fast. I also agree with most of them that the limits are more generous. (context, do lot of web, backend development and mobile dev)


If i could use GPT-5.2 with Claude Code - yeah. Otherwise slOpus requires too much steering to get things done. GPT-5.2 just works


4.1 or 4.5? I did not need to steer Opus 4.5 at many points. A good description was more than enough


Nah. They won’t even know it’s a problem to solve.


But if you are too small for celery, it seems a hard sell to buy a premium message queue?

My top problem with my celery setup has always been visibility. AI and I spent and afternoon setting up a Prometheus / grafana server, and wiring celery into it. Has been a game changer. When things go crazy in prod, I can usually single it down to a specific task for a specific user. Has made my troubleshooting go from days to minutes. The actual queue and execute part has always been easy / worked well.


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