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Empathy and accessibility. Does it make sense to have a ramp in front of your shop for < 5% customers?

My question, though, is who are the 5% of users in this case who are using some arcane browsers? Surely that's largely a choice, physical disabilities are not.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to say to those folks "were evidently not using the same web"


It's not comparable to a physical disability byt gatekeeping the people who just don't want to be tracked all day by Google doesn't sounds right to me though.

There's plenty of other chromium browsers - Vivaldi seems to do a good job in this regard.

Also, Firefox exists, though they don't seem to care about privacy much anymore either.

And, of course, safari, which is terrible in most regards


> There's plenty of other chromium browsers - Vivaldi seems to do a good job in this regard.

Being chromium derivatives, they don't really have a say in what's included in “their” browser though.

> Also, Firefox exists

Well, you disregarded is as “arcane browser” right above.


In what way did I call Firefox arcane? Firefox generally has better support for web features than safari.

It has less than 5% market share left…

it is included in Baseline and passes more tests than safari, so i would hardly call it arcane

Yet people treat it as such and drop support. Remember this is the comment you argued in favor above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45590086

> From business perspective it makes a lot of sense to just drop that bottom 5%. Actually, many businesses support Chrome only, they don't even support Firefox.


Grandma or poor folk with their old device may not be "largely a choice"

Don't major browsers essentially auto update? And to the extent that a device is so old that it can't support newer versions, surely it must be VERY old and perhaps is somewhat likely to be replaced sooner than later.

I think I'll probably carry on with not supporting browsers that don't have Sec-Fetch-Site. The alternative, Csrf tokens, actually causes me immense issues (they make caching very difficult, if not impossible).

(and I say all of this as someone who is specifically building something for the poorest folks. I'm extremely aware of and empathetic to their situation).


It still depends on the target audience. Some websites or apps are single-page applications (SPAs), can older devices handle that? For example, my mum’s Android phone was too slow to even load a page.

Secondly, users should upgrade their devices to stay safe online, since vulnerabile people are often scammed or tricked into downloading apps that contain malware.

So we should not cater to outdated browsers when they could pose a risk.


Yeah, I'm very amenable to this take. WordPress, for example, is infamous for having extreme backwards compatibility. But that often results in many sites being on ancient versions of php (and surely other tech as well). I'm of the opinion that they should all be running currently-supported versions of php and everything else. If you can't use my plugin because your server is shit, so be it.

Should we build SPA given it's poorly accessible and provide bad performance?

Tried old school SSR? Even on modern devices, it's waaaayy faster and much more enjoyable than JavaScript bloated "modern" website.


Paper and coins euro doesn't come with interest, I don't see why digital would. That'd still be the job of a bank.

It’s not “digital cash”, there is no such thing as “digital cash.” It’s an account that a person has with a bank that’s intended for routine transactions, so it’s closer to a checking account than physical cash.

Still doesn't mean you should get interest just for holding digital euros. That sounds like multiplying inflation.

Maybe a specific bank account could provide interest for a specific reason, but the digital currency?


Soon current version of the toy will be deemed unsafe and start catching fire. You'll have to get a new version of the toy, still available easily but it'll only run on crazy expensive batteries you can get from Vicky. Or you could try to build your own batteries but specifications for those are hazardous, undocumented and changes over time.

Also, for the new version of the toy you'll have to learn to play a new game as the old way to play with it'll become half-working.

At least that's what parents are afraid of.


Old account. Not with the same words but I share concerns on Vercel's involvement, even if it's not a new thing.

Old account here too, sharing my concerns about Vercel's involvement too

Old account here. I've had good experiences with NextJS though I didn't use like allll features for sure.

Isn't the foundation a formal way for meta to step-out and let others take/share ownership?

Try to scale Next.js globally. Try to keep up to date with new versions, changes in paradigms and the way the output is rendered.

It's designed to be deployed on Vercel. Production-ready hosting part of the Framework is not Open Source nor well documented.

https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/59167 https://www.netlify.com/blog/how-we-run-nextjs/


Website can't provide notification on iOS. You may find workaround but that would be either expensive or under Apple's control. This use-case without notifications is quite useless.



Most non-ads content also is ads but more or less subtle.


I know two people who have been scammed by ads pushed on Instagram. One for a fake sell of clothes and another for fake reselling of concert ticket. In both instances, price of that scam was worth multiple years of subscription.


CDN (can't say specifically about Cloudflare but that's true for other) may allow picking faster routes than BGP (BGP tends to optimize cost rather than perf), sometimes better compression than Origin on the path, and fast handshakes at Edge with already hot connections towards Origin.

Edgecomputing can also help accelerating dynamic content.


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