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I hope people read that link, because this "we don't need no steenking pagefile!" meme comes up like clockwork every year and it's wrong every time...


It comes up every year because it's correct. I have read and am familiar with the issue raised in the linked article, and respectfully disagree. I just think that if I can edit a Video file, record my voice over, and have my email running in the background without using all my RAM that it is time to take another look at how modern OS should work with memory.


I think it's safe to say that if you're browsing HN with IE, you are using 9 or 10, which have very fast Javascript engines.


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/feature...

Not exactly the most novel thing...

I'm hardly a fan of Aero Shake though, wish they used the gesture for this on Windows. :-)


That's exactly what they've done. Mesh became the SkyDrive desktop app. It lets you get remote access to your PC (either files or remote desktop), as well as sync with the cloud.


I'm home now running both the SkyDrive app and the LiveMesh app which itself has cloud storage. I think MS needs to clear things up as both services have serious overlap and will cause consumer confusion... even if that mean removing cloud storage from Mesh. As it is now, users can choose to have LiveMesh needlessly sync the local SkyDrive folder.

Mesh has a nice interface with baked in sync scenarios such as browser favorites and office settings. The quick and easy remote desktop is a good touch as well.


I ended up leaving Gmail a few months ago (knowing this was coming). The new design works really poorly with browser zoom. I need to view the page zoomed in to 300% or so most of the time (I don't have good vision). Zooming really worked pretty well on all of the past iterations, up until this one. There are a number of panes that stay visible when scrolling, so the content area on the web page becomes really really small. (I'm not usually one to complain just because things changed, I didn't like the mystery meat icons either, but I can get over something trivial like that.) It just doesn't work.

I couldn't really figure out where else to go, but OWA 2010 doesn't have these problems, so I went to Office 365 for my own domain (and forwarded Gmail). I never thought I'd pay for email but considering how vital mail is, having real support is a nice piece of mind.

I remember how awesome webmail seemed in 2003 (when I switched from Outlook to Gmail), but now that I've gone back to Outlook, I see all the awesome stuff that I was missing. This is really not to credit Outlook though, I'm sure Gmail (threading) influenced them greatly in the past 8 years. I know you can just use Outlook+Gmail, but sadly IMAP isn't nearly as good as Exchange.



Thanks, I know about the basic HTML site. It's not a worthwhile tradeoff for me, though. The basic site is literally worse than the 2003 version.


I have always used the basic version of gmail. It works very well for me. The site design has not changed.


Thank you, thank you, thank you...


agreed. for those of us who feel that gmail is a necessary evil this definitely helps ease the pain. I just wish I could pay for a commercial service or install a server-side app that had similar functionality.

the default settings in the new gmail design are really bad. at least the gmail team should have some kind of migration wizard that allows users to easily figure out to configure the settings to make the new design work as well as possible for them.

thanks again for the guide!


I use this regularly now, but I'm still dead set on moving back to having email in my workstation. Now, Google seem ruthless in their hunt for your information and this alone should be enough to make a decision. But it's a bigger problem than just that: you are at their mercy for any change they introduce, and they are a critical component of the internet for many if not most of us. Namely this interface change, or the availability of that simple html option. One could argue that the same can be said for any "cloud service" but email is typically a bit too critical to many of us. It definitely is for me. And they would push their integration plans whatever your opinion is and whatever the consensus is. This modus operandi seems to be the new standard at Google.

The last straw was a recent incident I had with my Android phone. So apparently in one of the recent updates of Google Talk they realised they could just log me into their one-and-only Google Account with gmail, etc. included. I had very carefully avoided Gmail's app (which they won't let you delete). I had refused to "sync" anything or add my Google account. Now, Google wouldn't let me log-out or delete my account.

I don't have any particularly compromising information in my phone. I don't have any "secret" numbers and the labels make sense just to me. I have it set up so if I lost it, it wouldn't be a big problem. But now I had my email forcibly open in my phone for anyone to see. Now I had to lock the screen and be extra-careful. Google doesn't let you delete your account from the phone easily. They provide this "option" but if you click on it they will let you know that you can only delete your account from the phone by doing a factory reset. Goodbye installed apps, settings, highscores, everything. So I did, and proceeded to create an account just for the phone.

Now, searches are getting painfully slow and they're quite poor compared to Thunderbird. But I'd still prefer gmail for the convenience of having it always available and always synced from anywhere, if only they weren't so insisting in upping their stakes and in forcing people into an all-or-nothing situation. I bet it makes business sense for them, it just doesn't make it for me.

I lost my youtube account when they stopped allowing independent accounts (had it locked to someone else's Google account and couldn't get this person to release it). I cannot afford to risk losing my main email account, so I'm taking preventive action while they still allow a relatively easy migration back to the desktop.


Thanks for this gem!

Did they forgot to change this view or G-Plusification will kill this as well?


It's for "slow connection[s]". It will be here for a while.


And older browsers. Try opening GMail in IE7.


Given that email is vital to you, why did you expect you wouldn't pay for it?


You can use Exchange rather than Imap with Gmail.


I believe this may be referred to as a glue record.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Circular_dep...



I think that may be the one I read.



Since there is no mention of Firefox 'Metro Style' for Windows 8, should one gather that it won't happen during 2012? I realize they just announced that they're starting it, but I assumed it would come sometime around the launch of Windows 8.


According to the roadmap[1], a proof of concept will be done in Q2, and an alpha and a beta sometime in the second half of the year.

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap


There's an overshoot buffer. Move past the corner and then slide back to invoke the tip in the bottom left. For the charms, move past and then swing your mouse up into the middle. Kind of like a U shape.


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