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It seems from the comments on the video that your joke has actually been the case for a few people. Sometimes what's needed is a new perspective and a "worthless platitude".


No, they just think that temporarily while they're excited. It's like faith healing.


I always thought the search was purposely bad and overly limited to prevent scraping for credentials.


He shouldn't be allowed to act on it. That's how we are in this mess. His ability to do any more damage should be immediately removed.


Society sucks. Everything we do ends up only making conditions worse, perhaps its time for a radical new way of living.


point #2 is silly. So basically your product is slower but its ok cuz its a beta only... Fine. But then cf did not mislead anyone. Your beta is slow.


Not really. Cloudflare could have used their rust implementation for doing a fair comparison, instead they compared a beta product to a stable product. It's not like CF didn't have a choice to make a fair comparison.


Did CF pretend they were benchmarking something other than the product they said they were benchmarking?


> Today, we’re excited to report that Cloudflare Workers is 196% faster than Fastly’s Compute@Edge based on the time to first byte from the tests we ran on 50 nodes using Catchpoint’s data from across the world.

Kind of? At minimum they made misleading representations. They used abbreviated explanations of how they're better and then expanded on what the test actually consisted of later on.


> At minimum they made misleading representations

Fastly does not have a production-ready JavaScript product. From their blog post,

> Their tests compare JavaScript running on Cloudflare Workers, a mature, generally available product, with JavaScript running on Compute@Edge. Although the Compute@Edge platform is now available for all in production, support for JavaScript on Compute@Edge is a beta product. We clearly identify in our documentation [2] that beta products are not ready for production use. A fairer test on this point would have compared Rust on Compute@Edge with JavaScript on Cloudflare Workers, which are at more comparable stages of the product lifecycle.

Restricting any comparison isn't satisfactory since we care about both the supported languages and performance. Let there be writeups about both and allow users to make up our own minds.

I think the Cloudflare article [2] could be amended to refer to the compared product as "Fastly's JavaScript on Compute@Edge" and all would be fine. Fastly will probably still say they advise against this comparison since it's "beta". Nonetheless, we should all feel free to compare publicly available products and write about them.

[1] https://docs.fastly.com/products/fastly-product-lifecycle#:~....

[2] https://blog.cloudflare.com/network-performance-update-full-...


I don't really think it's worth piling on the topic more, but Fastly's post (original topic) expands on why the test is poor in other ways worth reading over again.

Beyond just those points, the whole Cloudflare blog post reads like an attempt at a performance sales kill sheet. (In other words, their sales may point to this as to why folks should choose Cloudflare Workers over Fastly Compute@Edge.)


> Fastly's post (original topic) expands on why the test is poor in other ways worth reading over again.

Do you want to highlight any of those? RTT is mentioned in a post from "Cloudflare Research" which was just shared by their head of research [1].

> Beyond just those points, the whole Cloudflare blog post reads like an attempt at a performance sales kill sheet. (In other words, their sales may point to this as to why folks should choose Cloudflare Workers over Fastly Compute@Edge.)

There is nothing wrong with advertising. This comment section is just about keeping them honest.

[1] https://twitter.com/grittygrease/status/1468016152752361472


how comparing rust to javascript is even remotely fair ?


I think people are misunderstanding what I said. CF could have tested their rust implementation against Fastly's rust implementation.


does the language that you use matter when the real goal is to serve a webpage to the end user in the shortest time possible?


Yes, maintainability, ease of porting code, and ease of hiring knowledgeable workers do matter, and so does performance.

I hope Fastly stops calling things "cold starts" that aren't [1].

And, I think Cloudflare could do a quick find-and-replace on that article [2] to change "Fastly’s Compute@Edge" to "Fastly’s JavaScript on Compute@Edge". A phone call between friendly CEOs probably would have sufficed for that.

We all want to be on the same page when making these comparisons. Some may choose Fastly and write in Rust, some will choose Cloudflare and write in JavaScript.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29465729#29468068

[2] https://blog.cloudflare.com/network-performance-update-full-...


Absolutely, runtime overhead plays an outsized role in startup time and latency. garbage collection can also add a ton of latency.


lol. Because people aren't always rational. And what does the NYT or her fame have to do with it? Anyone can lie at any time. And accusing someone of lying isn't ad hominem.


believe the victim until there is proof they made it up.

victims making up stories in which they are the victim are exceedingly rare, in reality.


> victims making up stories in which they are the victim are exceedingly rare, in reality.

Not in my experience working retail/hospitality jobs. And lots of people crave attention. I see no reason to give either party more credence than the other absent evidence.


But consider how many people shop. It's pretty likely that the number of people running retail scams is a small percentage. Doesn't make them any less soul-sucking to deal with, but that's not really the same thing.


Why is it relevant how many people shop?

It seems to me the relevant metric is false positives and false negatives.


Eh, ok fair. I was thinking like, percentage of consumers with legitimate complaints vs those with scams. I think that's relevant to the overarching discussion of "believe victims", but I agree at the complaint department the common denominator doesn't matter.


Innocent until proven guilty. Never believe someone accusing another without ample evidence.


So I chose not to believe your implicit accusation that the author is defaming Google.


It's clear you have never heard of "innocent until proven guilty", so I'll explain it to you. You're actually supposed to believe the person accused until they've been proven guilty.

Victims making up stories in which they are the victim is INCREDIBLY COMMON.


Vaccines cannot save us if this is the case. A variant evolving immune evasion in another species before jumping back to humans can't be stopped.


The alternative would be doing it with some honesty. The measures don't work, but they were a nice attempt.


You want honesty, but what is the cost of that? Would that make things better or worse? Is honesty for honesty’s sake valuable? To put it in another way, how many people would be saved or how many would die just because we want honesty?

To clarify what I’m saying, if you’re honest with the public and say, we’re doing this but we aren’t sure if it actually works. Will that help? Or just freak people out, making any later, hopefully more helpful, attempt at establishing policy less effective, hence more people dead.

Just some thoughts. I don’t want to be lied to, I want my rights respected, and I want authorities to be as transparent as possible, but these are some of the issues I can imagine exist when I put myself in their shoes.


Take a look at Russias covid situation to see how this pathos plays out in the long run.

Crisis or not, no truth, no trust.


So does developing a vaccine usually. We should be taking extraordinary measure not saying "oh that will take too long don't even start"


Assigning ten teachers to a student won't make the student learn ten times as fast.


Modifying the procedures and allowing people to work before they're through arbitrary redtape does. The EUA the vaccine received is the same concept. The reason the vaccine was developed faster wasn't just the number of scientists working on it, but the amount of funding directed towards it. Increasing money to education programs would increase the amount of people they can train, allow for further optimizations to be developed etc.


Not really, its unfair but not a scam. Can we talk about the actual scam known as layer 2 rollup chains? Optimism is completely centralized and even Vatalik is shilling it like a good thing. At least the PoS shill makes sense, it artificially benefits early adopters.


Amazing clarity.


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