This is kind of like the reverse of the sister comment, which I agree with: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47242699

The general point is that separating PM and eng doesn't make sense any longer. Which subsumes which is an interesting debate.

Your argument that 4.6 Opus makes the engineering skill set useless is totally false and maybe shows you haven't built anything complicated, but it is possible that Opus 5.2 will get there.

I totally agree (as a PM of ~10 years).

I think that all PMs will need to get onto the engineering, design, or research ladder. We are already seeing companies eliminate the function here and there and I expect the trend to continue.

This seems crazy to me. I am a PM and I am busier than ever. People are waking up to the idea that code is cheap and things can change faster now, so deciding _what_ to make and prioritise in the deluge of ideas coming to prod is becoming completely essential.

One thing LLMs don't have is taste. That's on me.

They don't seem to have taste when it comes to engineering either, but tbh 'taste' is a computable function, and will eventually be learned.

Communicating a feature with a doc or mock can be really hard. A prototype can make things much clearer to a broad audience.

Thanks! I posted that one almost a year ago and it blew up on LinkedIn of all places but was totally ignored on HN.

What's an eval?

You'd be surprised. See this sister comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47242372

Weird take. Coding is fun (and has been since before AI). And vibe coding is fun in an entirely different way.

What's weird about it? I'm not disputing that it might be fun for vibe coders. Just that they seem to really like using that particular word.

I love coding and it is fun for me. Vibe coding on the other hand - not fun at all. It feels to me like playing slots.

But then again, I never liked gambling.

Not weird at all. It's a common motte & bailey tactic, when your defence of the utility of something fails you can just say you do it for fun!!!!!!!.

When your only defense is “I’m just having fun!!!!” after dumping your toxic waste in the net, it’s not a weird take.

Funny story: I work at Meta and posted a version of this internally in response the bizarre pressure and support for PMs landing prod diffs (the response was very positive FWIW).

Quick everyone, create decoy repos for them to vibe in. When the feature doesn't appear "oh feature gate system has an incident try tomorrow". Even better make the decoy repo have an insufferable pipeline that always breaks and get them in a loop trying to fix it. An adveserial "red team" LLM can keep it broken! But tantalizingly with different problems so progress is felt.

which workplace group did you post it to?

I don't remember the exact name, but the one about AI productivity. It should be trivial to find my name from my handle, so just look at my profile.

After spending a bit more time with these models, I wrote up my findings in more detail if anyone is interested in learning more.

https://www.ddmckinnon.com/2024/10/03/dans-weekly-ai-speech-...

This is a bit different. These audio clips use the default voice of each of these systems. I was asking about zero-shot voice cloning, i.e. transferring a recorded voice and synthesizing speech in that voice.

I tried zero-shot voice cloning in all of the top OSS models in the Arena and performance was bad.

Most of those models DO do zero shot cloning. The best is VoiceCraft. It's nearly 11Labs quality. Check it out.

Thanks for the flag. VoiceCraft is indeed the best ZS OSS voice cloning tool, despite appearing at the bottom of the TTS arena They have a really easy-to-use gradio demo on their repo if anyone else wants to give it a try.

There is still a big gap between 11Labs and Character.ai and the VoiceCraft voices would not be confused for the real speaker, but this is much closer.