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So what? Is that your rationalization for banning it? If so, that is moronic.


It lasted less than 2 days when I had a plan like that. Only could change to 100gb since that's all was offered. Now I still go over constantly without trying. The ISP gets congested massively on Friday, Saturday & Sunday even with these limits.


>Misbehaving kids should get an education--they should just get it in a class with other misbehaving kids.

What specific criteria is there so that we segregate fairly, not based some delusion that normal behaviour between genders are identical?

Teachers (which are overwhelmingly female) overly punish normal behaviour from boys compared to girls. I wouldn't trust their judgment for my children of what misbehaviour is given their obvious discrimination that I've witnessed and experienced.


It's ridiculous to start going back to this sort of racism. This is the "affirmative action or positive discrimination" that is tearing apart Africa right now.

The only sort of racism that should even be considered these days would be genetic research of ethnic groups. That's not something evil BTW. Researching those prone to heart disease, cancer or have positive/useful genes that could be used to protect all of us in the future. Alas, we aren't living the movie Gattaca yet.


You bring up good points. But...

>Homophobia may be one possible reason. If two men unconsciously stand too close to each other while looking at the same thing someone (a woman did this to me once) will exclaim "ARE YOU TWO GAY!??".

Is that really fear of homosexuals? Or more a heterosexual desire to appear available. Even among other males who make those "accusations", the counter-reaction to not appear gay is also an attempt to appear available to women and not decrease your odds of that (you don't want false rumors to spread).

To me "ARE YOU TWO GAY!??" is more flamboyant curiosity than a homophobic behavioral condemnation.


Downvotes? Guess that's what I get for being honest & speaking from my own experience... I brought that up because you can only solve a problem when you understand what's gone wrong. And pinning it on homophobia is a swing and a miss IMHO. If there's a real single answer, it'd more likely be about male reputation & maintaining respect in our corporate focused culture. Which I think isn't that far removed from honor culture.


You don't make sense.

And empowerment > infantilization


Why doesn't what I'm saying make sense?

Absolute freedom of speech is tyrannical. It gives the privileged enormous power to do harm.

Freedom of speech must be limited so it is a power against the powerful, not the powerless.

Protecting people from hate speech and incited violence is not "infantilisation". It's basic human rights.

Are you not familiar with the Intolerance Paradox?


All true. But FoS is also a normal behavior used by people everwhere, to make themselves clear. The guy standing on a stump in the park, complaining about his sister-in-law has the same right, for the same reason. Its not just a political-action-tool. Its supposed to be a human right, like life and liberty.


Yes. A human right that, like others, has limits where it conflicts with other human rights.


Let's be a little more honest here. You say this, but like everybody else that makes this statement, it only applies to things that align with your narrow view of the world.

It's a common tactic to root out and silence opposing view points used in dictatorships and non-free nations. As long as someone isn't making death threats or something similar, speech should be free.

But I think people like you need to have their livelihood and speech taken away for good for something they said on the Internet to fully understand why speech needs to be free and protected for all, not just the chosen few.

If I donated some money to a pro-gay marriage proposal, I shouldn't get fired from my job (or bullied online)..so why did the ex-mozilla CEO get bullied and then fired for donating to what he believed in? Because it's against the narrative? This isn't how freedom is supposed to work...

How about gangsta rap groups of the late 80s? Local law-enforcement and many other people used the exact same words that you use today: The freedom of speech has limits. Should they have been prevented from going on stage?

How about occupy Wall street? Why should specific types of speech be allowed in the name of freedom and others deemed conflicting with 'human rights'????

I suspect you and many other people posting here will attempt to come up with reasons why the examples I listed should be accepted but other forms of free speech (which happen to be against your personal views) are wrong and need to be silenced.

This bullshit only creates a divide between us and if our society weren't so lazy, it would lead to another war.


Its different to be fired by somebody for what you said, and for the boss to be fired for what he said. You have to see that difference.


Only tyrannical totalitarians despise Freedom of speech. So that they can rule with impunity. The concept of hate speech cannot co-exist with freedom of speech. Either it's all acceptable or it means nothing. That's it.

Acting like people cannot control themselves or react reasonably to unsavory opinion is infantilization. The incitement argument doesn't apply to free speech because it isn't just speech. It's speech plus action & it's the action that hurts. The only human rights that exist are the ones you give yourself.


Can't you use the browser without supporting them? I don't like the hypocrisy either but I love the browser (mostly). I do wish the engineers got back into management positions instead of these clueless politicians.


You know, it was not that long ago that being a hacker was, itself, a political position: you had thoughts on the power structures of the world and its borders, about US arms-control laws and their relationship to strong cryptography, about whether computer code should be subject to copyright or patent protection, about the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover, about voting technology and algorithms, about computer crime laws, etc.

Then, slowly, the hackers became engineers. The hackers' way of thinking, in many ways, became society's way of thinking, and it was easy enough not to express contrary political opinions. At which point it became easy not to express any at all.

I am an engineer, and what's a "manifesto"? Damn kids, dragging politics into our professional industry... they're all alike.

http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html


The idea that politics isn't conducive to a productive environment isn't strange. "Keep politics at home" is a phrase I've heard all my life. And it's advice that has deescalated many situations and got many non-productive time wasters back on track. I've been in (middle)management before, so I'm not just blowing smoke.


The idea that politics isn't conducive to a productive environment isn't strange.

No, just reactionary and hypocritical. You can't avoid politics, it's present in any social setting, and in any decision you make that affects others, particularly large groups of people (such as - Mozilla users). By shutting out debate, all you're doing is enforcing the political status quo.


Yeah, it's not uncommon for people who hold currently-centrist views to discourage dissent, to prefer de-escalating people's opinions, and to regard threats to their power and way of life as non-productive. All of those are way easier than defending currently-centrist views straightforwardly.


I'm not talking about government here. Sure fight the status quo of the government. I'm not applying centrist politics. It's neutralist, without left, right or center entering the equation. I know this never works when you're in HR, but it's not theoretical.

Yes there are work environments that deserve abundant politics, rebellion & real resolutions. But most people aren't working in Vietnamese sweatshops or diamond mines in the C.A.R.


  “There is nothing that is not political. Everything is politics.”


Politics - Achieving and exercising positions of governance for organized control over a community.

It may be in many places & affect many things but it does not encompass everything. Absolutists are always wrong eventually (no matter how satisfying the quote is).


And being in a management position at a company doesn't strike you as organized control of a community?


There's no point talking anymore given the fact they you two don't think apoliticism is even possible.


That's the narrow definition; I'm talking about the wider conception of politics.


Engineers don't necessarily share your political leanings.


I don't care about their political leaning. Politics doesn't belong in the work environment, especially for management. That includes every "political leaning". Not just the ones we don't like.


No, you do care about political leanings. There's always going to be office politics. What you perceive as "politics" is politics you dislike.


While I've moved on from DDG and prefer going directly to resources... you can use DDG to redirect searches to Mozilla developer network usign !mdn


The main difference between Ubuntu and Windows 10 is that Ubuntu will respect your decision to opt-out.


"Your information is ours unless you are aware of it and spend unreasonable amount of time searching for the information leaking settings and disabling them." Yaay


This is incorrect. Ubuntu told me in clear words that dash searches will be sent after installation when I used dash. That's how I came to know of it, and that's why I disabled it.

I didn't like the fact that that it is opt-out and not opt-in, but yeah, way way better than Windows 10 for now.

Also note that Canonical took steps to ensure amazon doesn't get to imprint your system by proxying the requests through their server.


I think this is worse though. It fires even when you've disabled web search through most GUI interfaces. It might stop using Windows Firewall > block SearchUI.exe

It will even ignore a-0001.a-msedge.net in your hosts file.


I just changed both Search rules to block and it appears to have worked.


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