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The modern response "Heroiam slava!" (Glory to the heroes!) appeared in the 1930s among members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). [0]

The greeting "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" became an official slogan of Stepan Bandera's Nazi allied OUN-B in April 1941. OUN actively participated in holocaust and other atrocities during WW2. [1]

In other words, he roughly said "See you, Heil Hitler!" and she replied "Sieg Heil!"

Be safe!! Take care of yourselves!!

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_to_Ukraine

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nati...


Yeah, and the 'ok' symbol means you're a white pride neo-nazi, right?


"Glory to Russia" ("Слава России") is the name of a national series of patriotic children's contests supported by the President's Fund for Cultural Initiatives: https://www.deti-rossia.ru/. It obviously does not compare to "Heil Hitler".

"Eternal glory to heroes of the Great Patriotic War" ("Вечная слава героям ВОВ") is a common refrain in Russian remembrance of WWII. You will see it on signs and on TV around memorial holidays. It obviously does not compare to "sieg heil".

Russia also had a nationalist movement that collaborated at times with the Nazis, the Russian Liberation Army. And Russian nationalists have attempted to rehabilitate their leader, General Vlasov, since the fall of the USSR, much as Ukrainian nationalists have Stepan Bandera.


Yes, you're right. But there's a slight difference. No street, square, bridge etc. in Russia is named after Vlasov. And there are no monuments to Vlasov in Russia. Also Putin never said that praising a Nazi war criminal as a national hero is a normal and cool thing.

Zelensky: "There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing." [0]

[0] - https://www.unian.info/politics/10521105-zelensky-on-bandera...


Equating "Слава Украине!" and "Героям слава!" with "Heil Hitler!" and "Sieg heil!" was wrong, and you knew it.


It's quite ridiculous but are you trying to insinuate that she was a Nazi? By the same logic you are applying does it mean that everyone that uses the phrase Allahu Akbar (God is great) is also a terrorist?


It depends on the context. If you are on a bus and someone randomly stands and shouts Allahu Akbar, it would strike terror into those around them, so yes they could be a sort of terrorist, even if they aren’t actually about to blow themselves up.

But if you’re in a mosque, it’s not unusual to hear it exclaimed.


What I am trying to explain is that "Slava Ukraine! Heroyam Slava!" is a direct calque from the German "Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil!".

"Slava" literally means "Heil" ("hail" in English). "Hitler" is replaced with "Ukraine" and "Sieg" (victory) with "Heroyam" (heroes).

This salute was coined and popularized by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators during WW2.

Now it's up to you to decide whether everyone that uses the phrase Heil Hitler (Long live Hitler) is also a Nazi or not.


The people using it get to decide, and they obviously have, since they're not.


Let's be frank here, both of us know what you are implying. Cutting excerpts of wikipedia without the context is a pretty valid disinformation tactic. Replacing words randomly also to suit your previous point is ridiculous.

Glory to the heroes of the country is also pretty common in the army in Romania, there is even a famous monument with this written on it: "Intru slava eroilor neamului" which means To the glory to the heroes of the nation. This monument was built after the first world war.


Area.

To produce 1 gigawatt of power you need 1000 square kilometers of wind turbines or 300 sq km of solar elements or 3 sq km of nuclear power plants. How much land do you have in your country that you are ready to deforestate in order to build renewables?

Predictability.

Renewables depend on weather. They only work when the wind blows or the sun shines. Are you ready to be able to heat your house only when the weather forecast is good?


The wind farm linked above is installed in a forested area. The turbines are above the tree line, and didn't require a significant amount of deforestation. In addition to that, in CA at least, and I'm sure elsewhere, wind farms can still have farm land underneath, definitely grazing land.

On top of that, some solar installations are actually compatible with some foods, here's one article on that: https://www.dw.com/en/farmers-reap-double-benefits-with-sola...

Point being, land use doesn't need to be single purpose in your example.

In terms of the weather, this is why it important to have balanced installations and associated battery storage.


Solar installation is compatible with many, even most food crops, most trivially pasture, and increases yield while cutting water need.

There is absolutely no need for single-use solar or wind area, anywhere.


Area: offshore wind is by far the most promising renewable (excellent aggregated power and load factor).

Predictability: spreading out production units, using a mix (wind, solar...) and storage are key. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-...


>that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

A year ago Zelensky closed all opposition TV channels on the pretext they were pro-Russian. [0] Not one or two. All of them. Since then there is no opposition TV in Ukraine.

An extremely democratic move, isn't it?

[0] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-oppositio...


Russia was waging a proxy war in the east, and used these channels as an propaganda weapon. So it's not so strange as you try to make it seem.

It's not the same as forbidding certain words and jailing journalists for 15 years for not agreeing with the state.


Three is not all.


In Ukraine the three was all. Since a year ago zero is all.

And there was not even a court decision. He just unplugged them overnight without notice. How democratic.


>Trust me. Look. I have pen

Or even better:

"Privet kamrad. My name John. Zer is a site Utub. Itz no blokt in Rasha. Taip Ukreyn in surch boks end it vil shou yu trus yu didn't no."


Europe and the USA simply have no alternative to Russian oil and natural gas. They may have in 20 or 30 years from now if they start investing in it several billion dollars per year right now. That's why gas prices in Europe and oil prices in the USA are skyrocketing these days.


> Europe and the USA simply have no alternative to Russian oil and natural gas.

Russian oil is already going unsold, without formal sanctions.


During all this war Europe and USA even for a single minute didn't stop buying Russian oil and natural gas to support Putin's invasion.

It's European and American money that supports war crimes.


>They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

Why can't they? In free and democratic USA 5% of the population is incarcerated.


Building more detention facilities will take time. Hiring more people to work there might not be feasible due to dissent.


That'd be one out of twenty? Doesn't sound plausible to me. Do you have any source?


Maybe they meant something else.

Data from the US Department of Justice for 2019: https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/docu...

> By the end of 2019, the incarceration rate had dropped to the same rate as 1995 (810 per 100,000 adult U.S. residents).

Which is about 1 in 123.

> About 1 in 40 adult U.S. residents (2.5%) were under some form of correctional supervision at the end of 2019. This represented a drop from 1 in 32 (3.1%) a decade earlier.

The above includes people on probation or parole.


>If it costs more, well damn that's the price for freedom I guess right now, still acceptable given circumstances.

Without Russian energy supply Europeans will be heating their houses with freedom. And European industry will also be using freedom as fuel. There is no alternative to this in any foreseeable future.


Norway has been holding back oil production. If needed we can essily ramp it up quite a bit for a few years.

And, as I mentioned the other day, I at least would be positive to sell at a lower prices to friendly countries in Europe until we get this situation under control.


Well, heating homes with "freedom" may at least get us more babies to solve the aging EU problem :). Won't work for the industry I guess.


You can heat it with solar, wind and democracy.


>Say it's a cold cloudy day with no wind and it's been so for a week.

What if it's been so for a month?

What if the country is Sweden?

What if the month is January?

What if the average temperature is -20C?

>So who pays the extremely high fixed cost of the nuclear and coal plant so it's available that one week you need it? No one wants to, so they're shutting them down.

Those who don't want to freeze, they want to pay.


Change the way the market works, pick a baseline power and bid it yearly. Then the nuclear stations can compete. But our current one results in shutdowns while we pay for extraneous wind capacity and new natural gas.


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