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Would love to show you a working example of a similar project with a public API. We have a number of users giving it a spin and would really appreciate the technical feedback. Email?


Agree 100%! The point that's important to remember about discoverability is that it is usually mission-centric.

e.g. - you want to discover the 'right' kind of people to follow, as to have better or more entertaining or more useful or _____________ information. What is 'right' for you may not be 'right' for me, since our goals most likely aren't the same.

I love Naveen's idea (and more importantly his implemention) & will be playing with it a bit more this weekend. But, the value may not be apparent right away.

Aggregating and mining one type of data across a relationship may be more valuable. It may be that I have to track a similar set of data for myself and my significant other to make sense of the aggregates.


This looks perfect! We have been using some sort of a hackup of a bunch of different ones; thank you for this (& using the MIT license)!


Ok, that looks good! I wonder if LayerVault will put out a DMCA notice for this as well :P


I think it looks worse.


About time! Besides the hype & price of Yammer, it really sucks at real-time comms for teams smaller than 5-6.

I have never had a chance to use it with a bigger team but at that size they have abysmal state management - if you have more than 1 conversation && use more than 1 device = notification_hell. Its just silly how badly they manage this stuff.

Just discovered Hall earlier today and so far, so good! Good job @bretthellman & team.


I'm using it at a 100-person office but nobody wants to integrate yet-another-step into their daily processes or have to hop around different places to get different pieces of information (because naturally, John Doe will always want to do it his way if there isn't a policy otherwise or when it becomes too chaotic). It's the same 5-10 of us that make irregular posts and maybe an additional 5 that will occasionally lurk when they remember to. I suspect those people use the desktop client and just always have it running. No one takes advantage of the chat, the secret groups (okay, maybe one team is that I'm not aware of), or the file-sharing. That said, I've complained about the shoddy design and the confusing interface here before, so I'm happy it didn't take off internally.

This has led me to believe that if they're not able to use social features from within the software they're already using (that's already connected to our existing data), they probably won't use them to any effective capacity at all. We run a homebrew CRM, but I don't think slapping a chat or a file system into it will suddenly fix the problem. That said, I think company culture has a lot to do with it too; getting up and talking to people and scheduling meetings with them is highly encouraged here.

That all said, Jive's business enterprise stuff is probably the best in this arena right now because of how much you can do with it and how extensible it is, but I've been asking for us to switch for two years to no avail because management doesn't see the value in constant, but passive, streams of information.


Thanks iusable! If you'd like, connect with me on hall here:

https://hall.com/brett

It would be great to chat, hear your feedback on hall and where we're headed. Thanks


Nice to see an open dialogue on here.

How do you see this space moving forward? I wonder if there are a lot of 'nice-to-have' and not enough 'must-have' apps, if any at all.


I never had a chance to meet Jody, but had connected with him online a couple of times. He couldn't have been more gracious with his time and knowledge.

Great loss to #startupville & the LA Scene.


This is exactly what I was looking for over the past week or so! Great work.


Been using it on a fully loaded macbook air. Completely anecdotal but I think my boot times are faster. But my encryption seems slower. Safari is wayyy more stable and faster. Messages is integrated better and love Notifications!

Launchpad is way smoother imho.


Does Messages work through a proxy yet? That was driving me nuts when I was playing with it in beta.


Is Mission Control any faster in switching spaces? It's incredibly annoying to wait 2-3 seconds to switch spaces, every, time. Especially since it was configurable in Snow Leopard.


This really bothers me too on an air where I'm switching back and forth from fullscreened terminal to browser constantly. Fine, it looks an feels quite cool when combined with a swipe, but it's really sluggish when you switch with assigned keys instead..


On Lion machines, using the keyboard shortcuts (ctrl/cmd+1/2/3/4), switching spaces is well under a second (my guess would be 500~750ms). From MC (which takes again less than a second to enter), entering a space is more in the 750~1000ms range but still, I don't know where you get that 2~3s figure.

This may help, although I found too fast an animation makes me dizzy after a while.

    defaults write com.apple.dock expose-animation-duration -float 0.15; killall Dock


That's the mission control expose animation, I know of that and use it. I want the four finger swipe sped up. I don't know the absolute numbering of my spaces, it's a relative association for me.


> I want the four finger swipe sped up.

Ok, I never use that one. Sadly it seems that for the sake of consistency with the physical world this animation is tied to the movement of your hand (whereas the MC exposé swipe is a trigger).

> I don't know the absolute numbering of my spaces, it's a relative association for me.

One can set up "Move Left/Right a Space" shortcuts in the Keyboard prefpane. Same animation speed as the swipe, which feels ungodly slow.


I haven't tried the GM but on DP4 it felt like the animation takes even longer than on Lion. It moves at the same speed but the 'settling' time when it's slowing down is much, much longer. I'm talking half-a-second-longer longer.


Being unable to cycle through windows with tab in exposé is what really hacks me off about Lion at the moment.


I am certain he meant as an indie dev.


indie dev ! (:


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