> OP was talking about margins and padding etc which just are a lot less important than designers like to think
Are you just saying that or do you have evidence to back it up? I'm not a designer but I work closely with them and I'd say it's the exact opposite. Developers (myself included) tend to get tunnel vision on finishing functionality but the actual end users of the software care a lot more about the 'small things' like that than you're giving them credit for.
The fact that you say 'tweaking things 1px at a time' shows that you don't quite understand that it isn't about moving things around arbitrarily, it's about creating a design system that does it for you. Every header should have X amount of spacing between it and other elements, every paragraph should have the same size that makes sense with the headings it sits under, backgrounds should draw the users eye to important places, etc.
Using the old/new Reddit is a horrible example, because the old Reddit absolutely had a design system that made sense to the user. It might have been simple, but the spacing was consistent across every element. Watch the comments when a subreddit mod team updates their theme and small things like the padding around the comment preview is missing, it's the first thing that the users of the sub notice.
I've done a lot of end-user interviews, and actually paying attention to your padding/margins and making sure all of the elements fit your grid can be the difference between the user trusting your app because it looks professional, and giving up on it because it looks like a side project (or to use the Reddit example, the difference between using the home page and a half-baked custom sub theme).
HN might not be the demographic that you're going to get that feedback, but unless you're writing your software specifically for developers you're going to be losing a lot of trust regardless of how solid your software is behind the UI. It's not about creating 'art', it's about making your work look trustworthy to the end user.
grids are great. nobody's arguing that a UI should be inconsistent, that is absurd. The vast majority of designers only attack the problem from a shallow aesthetic pov though.
>Using the old/new Reddit is a horrible example, because the old Reddit absolutely had a design system that made sense to the user.
Your own argument supports exactly what I'm saying. The designers of the new Reddit took an existing, very functional design and then f*cked it up by making it "pretty".
Most designers put UX on their resume (because it's trendy), but their folios betray that they do aesthetics (which is great, but not terribly important), and only have an effect on UX accidentally.
I've been a PIA customer for a year and a half with no complaints. I'm not a VPN power user by any means but it's been solid for me the whole time and haven't had any reason to look elsewhere.
I've been a Spotify premium user for years now and have never used my Library, but have a ton of playlists organized and nested into different genre/mood/etc directories.
I'm sure there's a good reason why people want to use their Library instead and why the "playlist" way is inefficient since I've seen a lot of users annoyed with the limit, but anecdotally I've never had a problem with the playlist-first way of using the app.
Actually at this point if they put the limits on playlists and had an unlimited Library I'd probably be jumping ship to something else myself.
I use spotify in a lazy way, but essentially if I like a song, I press the check mark. If I'm doing my normal listening I just have all of my songs that are in my library on shuffle.
I imagine if I hit the 10K limit this inability to use shuffle on ALL of my tracks at once would annoy me.
I only save my very favorite tracks, for full albums I add them as a playlist.
That way I can still shuffle my collection of favorite awesome tracks, but I also have easy access to my favorite albums, where I still consider the whole album to be good, but only a few of the tracks stand out as absolute favorites.
Protip: Julia Loiuse Dreyfus is related to THAT Dreyfus, just in case you ever need help segueing into late 19th century French history at a dinner party
Same here. I did use it often in college when it was still .edu only and got a lot out of it so I understand why people like it.
On the flip side, shortly after I graduated I realized it was my default "thing to do" online (i.e. when I open my browser it was muscle memory to type in facebook.com). Yet when I opened it up I cared less and less about what I would actually see. Anything worthwhile I would have gotten a text/call about, everything else was just attention-grabbing noise.
After I disabled my account honestly I can't say parting with it had any negative effect on my life whatsoever. Anyone who would have invited me to something on FB just sent me a message on something else, or text/called. Any friends I wanted to stay in touch with did so any way in other ways. Anyone that I lost touch with wasn't someone I was trying to stay in touch with in the first place.
It's amazing how often I hear people complaining about Facebook or the people they have "connections" with on there, but just not using the platform is almost a foreign concept for them at this point.
Have you used one? I'm not pushing fidget spinners but I've been a pen-twirler since junior high and the spinner is almost the exact same motion with the same amount of attention involved.
I don't know how you've been using them but I think you're making them far more complicated then they need to be.
Reddit is way more valuable if you subscribe to smaller discussion-based subs that have stricter rules. I haven't gone on r/all or any default subs in years but I still get a lot out of my front page since I try to be selective about which ones I subscribe to.
Definitely, and those same claims are made in the yue docs.
>I had been the solo developer of Electron and node-webkit (now known as NW.js) for a very long time, and today big corps are building their new apps on them. So I think it should not be hard to be confident about Yue.
> the expectation is that if you're not paying, you're the product.
What are you talking about? In what way are Trello users 'the product'? Are you just repeating a catch phrase that people say about other companies or do you actually know this to be the case?
I don't use Trello myself, but unless something has changed there aren't ads being shown to users (the reasons for the 'you're the product' saying for services like Google or Facebook), I'm not sure what data they could sell that would be worthwhile for a to-do app. What else would make the users 'the product'?
AFAIK they make all their money from their premium services, and since being bought by Atlassian I doubt revenue is at the top of their priority list anyway. Atlassian is full of premium services and Trello seems like a way to introduce all of those users to Atlassian's suite.
It also allows them to sell your data for mining purposes. In the next year we are going to see many AI business buy access to many unique large datasets.
"It's hard to imagine that we would ever consider collecting, let alone sharing, sensitive information with a non-agent third party, but if such a day should come, we will first give you the opportunity to explicitly consent (opt-in) to such disclosure or to any use of the information for a purpose other than the one for which it was originally collected or previously authorized." https://trello.com/privacy
Are you just saying that or do you have evidence to back it up? I'm not a designer but I work closely with them and I'd say it's the exact opposite. Developers (myself included) tend to get tunnel vision on finishing functionality but the actual end users of the software care a lot more about the 'small things' like that than you're giving them credit for.
The fact that you say 'tweaking things 1px at a time' shows that you don't quite understand that it isn't about moving things around arbitrarily, it's about creating a design system that does it for you. Every header should have X amount of spacing between it and other elements, every paragraph should have the same size that makes sense with the headings it sits under, backgrounds should draw the users eye to important places, etc.
Using the old/new Reddit is a horrible example, because the old Reddit absolutely had a design system that made sense to the user. It might have been simple, but the spacing was consistent across every element. Watch the comments when a subreddit mod team updates their theme and small things like the padding around the comment preview is missing, it's the first thing that the users of the sub notice.
I've done a lot of end-user interviews, and actually paying attention to your padding/margins and making sure all of the elements fit your grid can be the difference between the user trusting your app because it looks professional, and giving up on it because it looks like a side project (or to use the Reddit example, the difference between using the home page and a half-baked custom sub theme).
HN might not be the demographic that you're going to get that feedback, but unless you're writing your software specifically for developers you're going to be losing a lot of trust regardless of how solid your software is behind the UI. It's not about creating 'art', it's about making your work look trustworthy to the end user.