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I am a Chinese that has been living in the West for a few years.

> I’ve never lived in China, but I’ve spoken with many people that have

IMO, these opinions are a bit biased. 1) those are probably the people who chose to stay in the West; 2) Chinese people (incl. me) sometimes talk extravagantly about life in a "communist country", since to some degree it pleases the Western audience and adds some fun to the talk.

Maybe a CCP member has to show their allegiance from time to time, but I am not and I can not recall I was asked to do so in any form. Probably asked to sing the national anthem every morning when I was in the school? And despite the censorship, people, especially young netizens, invent all kinds of altered words mocking domestic politics, often to my surprise how much they are aware of, given that I already live in the West out of the bubble, that people usually think Chinese internet is.

Taking a particular different mindset as unconscious propaganda and thinking it's harmful seems to support the Chinese internet firewall project and the opinion that people are not able to make "correct" opinions on their own.


Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

Discussions like this are why I love HN <3

I think I’ll be chewing on your final paragraph for some time. Thank you!!!


Not supporting the post you responded to, while not sure about your opinion either, something perhaps relative:

- To a French company: [The American Trap](https://www.amazon.com/dp/1529326869)

- To Japanese semi-conductor industry and others: [The False Allure of Managed Trade - WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-false-allure-of-managed-tra...)


It looks bizarre to me to see ppl complaining "if there's no Google services my phone's gonna be a brick when traveling in China", while in so many posts in HN, people are digging substitutes for evil Google. (Yeah I know they might not be the same group of people)


Nearly all the major Internet services in China have been doing this for years, like Taobao (Alibaba's eBay), Weibo (Twitter equivalence). Some even ask you to login by using mobile app to scan QR code, so that you must install a mobile app.


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