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Apple has an even bigger loyalty problem. For them and Microsoft it's arguably good, but it's bad for users, even the loyal ones. It might even be bad for Apple and Microsoft long term.

I'm not saying Apple can't go the way of Microsoft, but if you've used macOS and Windows through the previous 5 years there isn't much of a comparison. Windows has gone from something I tolerated to something I absolutely dislike using. It's so bad that if it wasn't for WSL then I would consider finding a place to work where they didn't force me to use Windows. MacOS on the other hand hasn't really changed.

The moment someone makes a non macbook air, that does the same as a macbook air in terms of being cold to touch, battery life and no-noise I'm leaving for Linux though.


Nah, macOS is going down the crapper too.

A big issue with Linux has always been the poor battery life management on laptops. So even if a device has a good battery, Linux might not be able to exploit it.

Also the drivers for devices has always been an issue for me. Like there are multiple drivers for the track point, with a million customisation options but no way to get it to work well.


> The moment someone makes a non macbook air, that does the same as a macbook air in terms of being cold to touch, battery life and no-noise I'm leaving for Linux though.

I think a lot of people are waiting for a non-Apple Macbook, but we unfortunately might be waiting for a while. It seems to pain other manufacturers to not cut corners in some critical area or another…


I have a framework laptop, and when it works it’s just ok. It looks just enough like a Mac to have me feel frustrated when I use it.

In theory we may be able to run Linux (reliably, not in the bleeding edge) on Apple hardware eventually. But you still pay the Apple tax, which is pretty bonkers these days. But dang those machines are nice.



macOS has gotten subtly worse in a "death by a thousand cuts" kind of way. But, nothing like Windows's speed-run to Awful.

Neither OS is empowering me to do what I want to do on my computer anymore. Instead they're constantly nudging me towards doing things Microsoft and Apple want me to do.

Don't you want a Microsoft account? You really should make a Microsoft account. Please make a Microsoft account. We're going to pop up the Microsoft account at you until you say yes. OK, fucker, now you have to make a Microsoft account in order to use your computer.

Sync your stuff to the iCloud! No, really, you're forgetting to use iCloud. Come on, don't you want to use iCloud? We're going to make iCloud the default for saved documents now.

Go ahead and install that app. OK, now go ahead and install it but we're going to warn you that it's from the scary internet. Now, when you install the app, we're going to put a scary dialog if it's not from a developer we're OK with. Now, when you install the app, we're not going to let you even run it until you go into settings and confirm a scary dialog deep in Settings.

I'm not really in the driver's seat anymore. I'm kind of a passenger with limited access to the steering wheel. These are just a few examples but there are plenty of other cases where both Microsoft and Apple are inserting themselves between me and my computer, gatekeeping what I can do on them and treating me like some kind of attacker towards my own computer.


What an odd attitude! It's almost as if you felt you should have control over devices you pay for.

The new Dell XPS looks promising. I'm going to buy one when they offer the X9 CPU option.

Reddit is plenty addictive in my experience, and I've heard the same from other people ranging from high school teachers to tradespeople.

Hackernews is also addictive. Fortnine is addictive. World of Warcraft is addictive. NFL is addictive.

Addiction does not strike to me as a unique trait of the social media.

The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.


HN doesn’t optimize for addictive. Fortnite and wow do. No opinion on NFL, but they probably do at least somewhat.

HN lets users opt to automatically lock themselves out after a while (noprocrast). Fortnite and WoW do not. Sounds like one knows they have users with problems, no?

I think the term addiction is way overused in this stuff. If a company makes a product you enjoy using that doesn't mean you can just describe it as addictive and get out of jail free. If there's some chemical in it that messes with your brain, fine, otherwise people need to take ownership of their own choices.

I think the disturbing reality is these countries are wanting to control social media to control the population politically. There was even a Labour MP in the UK who admitted it on television. If it weren't the case they'd just tell concerned parents to turn on the parental controls devices already have, problem solved. Instead they pass laws to end internet anonymity, but only on the big networks, which won't do anything for kids but is an excellent way to control political discontent.


> I think the disturbing reality is these countries are wanting to control social media to control the population politically

The current alternative is that unaccountable private interests control this, so some regulation in this regard seems reasonable to me. However, swapping private control for public control is only barely better.

The best solution that I can think of is ending algorithmic feeds, and having subscription feeds, or maybe user curated feeds, only.


I think moving algorithmic feeds out of section 230 would do the trick. Once you’re curating the feed, you’re no longer a neutral platform.

Could already be argued it's not, right? The post is from another user, and the platform isn't liable for hosting it, but the feed is from the platform and the platform can be held liable for it.

This is the best idea I’ve heard in a long time. This would solve so much.

Parental controls don’t work, they’re too coarse grained and too easy to get past. Source: am a parent.

They do work. You may not feel they work perfectly, but government mandated ID verification on social media will work far worse and be far more coarse grained. You don't even have any control with government regulation, so being "coarse grained" isn't even worth discussing because with one-size-fits-all laws imposed by the providers there is no grain.

Karma and thread-ranking are adaptations that directly increase addictiveness while doing little else...

thread ranking is useful and doesn't increase addictiveness

I do agree that karma increases addictiveness and adds little value; I can see it being useful for certain permissions (so new accounts can't do thinks like downvoting), but it could just not be visible to the user; then there's no motivation to "increase my karma"


> thread ranking is useful and doesn't increase addictiveness

Can you please elaborate on what you find useful about thread-ranking? It's an anti-feature that only serves to increase addictiveness (by making top-level comments into a competition) and make it impossible to reload an active discussion and find your place again, in my opinion.


I find it useful because when browsing a post, you have the most upvoted or commented on at the top. I don't see how it increases top-level comment competition unless commenters are trying to get their comment up to the top? I think if you hide the karma, and that would also including hiding how many upvotes/downvotes your comment got, then you can't really track the "competition" and makes it much less competitive (and potentially addictive).

(I do see your point about not being able to keep your place, though I don't systematically go through all comments in a post -- or very rarely -- more just quickly browse for things that catch my attention, interesting info, etc.)


An infinite stream of user generated content with direct engagement possibilities is enough to fry our brains

The difference is whether or not the platform is for-profit. If the goal of the platform is to make money, decisions will be made to keep people more addicted than would otherwise be natural. And that's the problem.

> The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.

More specifically: using "engagement" as the metric to optimize.

Users' use of content is measured: how long do they watch it? Do they leave a comment? Do they give a "like"? Based on that, the algorithm finds similar content that will elicit an even stronger response.

Every action you take on modern social media is giving information to your drug dealer so they can make the next hit even better. But not better for you; better for the social media, who make money from ads.

The continuously adaptive nature of the input stream as a basis for keeping users' eyeballs leashed to ads is what separates FB, Tiktok, Instagram, and Youtube from the more benign, but still addictive alternatives (HN, Fortnite, WoW, NFL, Reddit).


Hacker News has plenty of its own echo chamber, no different to any other social environment.

> Hacker News has plenty of its own echo chamber, no different to any other social environment.

Sure, but fwiw the HN echo chamber is organic. People choose to interact with people who have similar opinions, as they have since forever.

In contrast, the echo chamber on HN, Tiktok, FB, etc is architected specifically to drive engagement. You are shown more of the content that you react to, so that you won't leave.


Typo on second mention of HN?

It's not at all organic. There's lots of flag killing and shadow banning on HN to suppress opinions, mostly anything that hints of right wing stuff. It mostly works, too.

No, they block political stuff because this is not the place for political stuff.

Stop playing the victim.


Nah. Hacker News has a diversity of views! In this very thread, you can see a robust debate between

1) people who want to ban kids from social media, and

2) people who want to ban everyone from social media.

See? HN captures the full range of legitimate perspectives on technology.


actually, much more diverse because everyone is in the same forum rather than being divided into "subreddits"

I wonder if your KPI is no. of active users, page views, etc - then you are a priori building an addictive thing.

> The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.

At least you can now choose your bubble and even listen to your own echo. That beats having the government beam their psychosis straight into everybody's brain by TV, radio and newspapers.

That makes the whole society an "echo chamber" of whatever the rulers have on their current agenda. And not just on your devices, but all the people you meet in real life.


Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic. State level resources are being thrown to influence people. So you are being beamed some government propaganda anyway.

I grew up in the forum days and internet discussions were very different back then. Accounts like “Endwokeness” would never work. People will make fun of him for being so obsessed with trans. You can’t just post some low effort political openings and walk away. Your openings need to have substance and you are pressured to engage. Otherwise people will see through your schtick and you get banned.

I don’t have a solution for this, and I think it’s a different problem regarding social media for kids.


> Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic.

Billions of people are posting real organic content on places like Instagram and Facebook. Their vacations, their workouts, their barbecues with friends, their thoughts and feelings on different matters. What you're saying is the opposite of truth.


The topic at hand was state propaganda and BBQ recipes are outside the scope of state propaganda. Perhaps I should have made that more clear that this is only applied to political topics.

But you do point out something interesting. I still follow football sites and football is still outside of the scope of state propaganda. Although you definitely have tribalism and biased fans and pundits, the vibe is completely different from any political topic.


> Hackernews is also addictive.

False. It is good, no more addictive than a spoon.


A spoon has no randomization.

Define the randomization. Probably the content of spoon fits the definition.

i think most users need more screen blocking control than they get out of the box on iOS. tools like one sec [1] have been invaluable for me.

[1]: https://one-sec.app/


Yes, but most importantly I need to manage my children’s devices; it cannot be opt in and it mustn’t be possible to disable without me approving. Screen time is too easy for kids to work around as is. I also need in-app content type filtering (eg. no shorts, no music videos on music streaming apps) and literally no one is providing such options, not to mention it should be managed in screen time, too. Parental controls are a complete shit show in iOS and the app ecosystem.


family link is not enough, try disabling gemini and news access with it, and you cannot block shorts

You will always be able to come up with some unique combination of features you want from software that it doesn't have yet. Note that none of these social media bans would block Gemini, and most of them don't consider YouTube to be social media. You are still far ahead with Family Link, and Android is flexible enough that if there's actually real demand for these things you can implement solutions and sell them to other parents.

i do not have children to provide a meningful reply to the points raised, though i hope others do.

I'm no EM expert, but is it possible to have a transparent Faraday cage material that lets a capacitive touch screen register touches and be seen without any leak of radiation/data? As I understand it a big conductive finger crossing a Faraday cage breaks it quite completely, but I'm not certain of this.


Probably? Transparent -- ITO on glass is the usual answer. You can deposit the ITO in patterns rather than as a continuous layer; and a conductive layer works as a faraday cage as long as the gaps are significantly smaller than the relevant wavelength (so ~mm for mmWave). So a ~500 µm grid could be laid down on glass in front of the screen, and conductively joined to a continuously conductive layer surrounding the back of the phone. The question, then, is whether the change in capacitance from a finger is observable by the touch screen through such a mesh... my intuition is that it would be, but would have to either model it or test it to find out. (Could test with just a stainless steel mesh from the hardware store.)

But none of this helps with the "toggle-able" part of the requirements…


I’d imagine you could have a grid of conductors which can be temporarily connected together (by a grid of transistors somehow?) forming a cage when connected. You’d only need this mechanism on the back of the case - note that a phone can still make calls when face down on a metal sheet.


No because your finger could operate as an antenna. You're conductive.


If you want stable, responsive, and old, use Debian, possibly with XFCE. Then, you have patches for security issues too.


In my experience LLMs offer two advantages over private thinking:

1) They have access to a vast array of extremely well indexed knowledge and can tell me about things that I'd never have found before.

2) They are able to respond instantly and engagingly, while working on any topic, which helps fight fatigue, at least for me. I do not know how universal this effect is, but using them often means that I can focus for longer. I can also make them do drudgery, like refactoring 500 functions in mostly the same way that is just a little bit too complicated for deterministic tools to do, which also helps with fatigue.

Ideally, they'd also give you a more unique perspective or push-back when appropriate, but they are yes-men too much right now for that to be the case.

Lastly, I am not arguing to not do private thinking too. My argument is that LLM-involved thinking is useful as its own thing.


Re: "yes men" - critical thinking always helps. I kind of treat their responses like a random written down shower thought - malicious without scrutiny. Same with anything that you haven't gone over properly, really.

The advantages that you listed make them worth it.


The output of the prompts always needs peer review, scrutiny. The longer is the context, the longer it will deviate, like if a magnet were put nearer and nearer to a navigation compass.

This is not new, as LLMs root are statistics, data compression with losses, It is statistically indexed data with text interface.

The problem is someones are selling to people this as the artificial intelligence they watched at movies, and they are doing it deliberately, calling hallucinations to errors, calling thinking to keywords, and so on.

There is a price to pay by the society for those fast queries when people do not verify such outputs/responses, and, unfortunately, people is not doing it.

I mean, it is difficult to say. When I hear some governments are thinking in to use LLMs within the administrations I get really concerned, as I know those outputs/responses/actions will nor be revised nor questioned.


I have a credit card with them for cash back on utilities, and their customer service is awful. For example it takes a lenghty phone call to do anything, in contrast to my primary bank where I can just leave a written message in a minute or so and they respond asynchronously. I also heard from someone who worked with US bank for institutional banking services that they're just as awful there, as well as frequently causing problems for this person's employer's customers, who were mostly low income.


https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=...

It has Amazon as well as many other stores, and several other filtering options. It supports hard drives, SSDs, and other computer parts (everything that you need to build a computer). It also has a compatibility checker if you give it a complete parts list. It also works in several countries.


I don't know how much impact this has in practice, but you do not need to scan the entirety of the ipv6 address space because you can just look at the IPs that are registered to known ISPs/ASs.


You're gonna need to scan 2^64 addresses once you've located the IPv6 network assigned to my connection before you find my phone. 2^56 if you don't get lucky guessing the network prefix it happens to be on at that moment.

Assuming a scan with a minimum 4 byte ICMP packet, that's about 73786 petabytes of network traffic for that /64. You'll need to shove it down the pipe within a day because IPv6 privacy extensions means the IPv6 address used changes after 24 hours. With only 1gbps fiber, I don't think the deanonimysation is the problem at that kind of traffic level.


I'm also not sure how much it helps, but a friend and I were just talking about how big the numbers get today.

My ISP provides my house a /56 allocation. There are 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 addresses. I should have enough for a couple of years, at least.

I guess you could scan it. The IPs for most devices are chosen randomly within a /64 subnet, or they're based on MAC address, but they're not sequential by any means. A /64 is still 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible IPs.


Unfortunately I think one of the problems with v6 is people are just unable to apply intuition to numbers this big. The minimum number of /64s an ISP will have is around 4 billion. They generally give subscribers a /56 which is 256 /64s. It's all simple power-of-2 arithmetic. Computer people used to get how big 2^64 is.


I agree. Writing out the whole number is intentional.

How many digits is that? Woah, I can barely count the commas!


Most of the time it's going to be a /64, so even if you know the prefix you're still never going to guess a random address. But a lot of older clients will use a deterministic address based on their MAC, searching the space of MACs for known sbcs would be a lot more tractable.


I thought that Anubis solely is proof of work, so I'm very curious as to what's going on here.


> combined with studies showing there is zero safe threshold without brain damage markers in the blood?

Are you saying that there's zero safe threshold of choking, or for viewing porn?

(To be clear, choking someone without consent is assault and unacceptable, whether a blood test shows damage or not.)


A. There is zero safe threshold for choking.

B. Choking is inherently, obviously, dangerous.

C. Pornography has caused choking behaviors among youth to go from negligible to over 38%.

D. Brain damage is measurable in anyone who has been choked.

E. As such, pornography does, in fact, have blame for encouraging this kind of experimentation.

F. If "fighting words" and "misinformation" shouldn't be free speech, who is to say pornography does not incite risk, when other things can?


The argument I commonly hear of pornography causing more extreme sexual experimentation is a very weak one. I know, for sure, pornography did not cause me to be a homosexual.

Kinks, BDSM, and what have you, have always existed and will continue to exist. The solution is teaching safe ways to participate, and the importance of consent. A desire to just wipe them out is naive, and will not work.


> Pornography has caused choking behaviors among youth to go from negligible to over 38%.

That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.


I have a lot of concerns about your presentation of this.

A. It’s also true that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption and yet we sort of see experimentation with alcohol as a rite of passage.

B. I mean, so is walking out your front door. I don’t see this as adding much to point A.

C. This is a big jump. First, we see more openness about sexual behaviour. While I’m prepared to agree that it has likely gone up, I would not be comfortable with the degree you imply. Second, while I do think it is likely that pornography has indeed contributed to this, pornography has also likely contributed to an increase in experimentation in general, with other sexual behaviours also likely seeing an increase (for example oral/anal sex, water play, etc).

D. I find this very hard to accept at face value. Do you have studies/evidence to support this claim?

E. Yes, I would likely agree, although whether “encourages sexual experimentation” is a bad thing or not is a question for further debate.

F. This conflates some very weird things. “Fighting words” are a specific type of restricted speech (i.e. you can’t go round shouting “I’ll kill you”). Sharing misinformation is broadly not illegal (except in very specific sets of circumstances-fraud, inciting violence, etc.). It’s also broadly speaking not against the law to tell the truth. “Some people like to choke each other during sex” is a true statement, even if it’s harmful.

Do you support a ban on porn all together? That’s quite a radical view.


I don't believe that choking leads to brain damage in every single individual who has been choked, for whatever duration. If that is the case, then holding your breath should lead to brain damage too, no? You really need to back up that claim with some evidence.


Can you explain point A? It seems fundamentally flawed unless there is also brain damage from breath holding, hiking at high altitude, and other normal activities that involve operating at lower oxygen levels.


>and "misinformation" shouldn't be free speech

That worked so well during covid, right?


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