> This is a Python specific problem caused by everything being boxed
I would say it is part python being highly dynamic and part C++ being full of undefined behavior.
A c++ compiler will only optimize member access if it can prove that the member isn't overwritten in the same thread. Compatible pointers, opaque method calls, ... the list of reasons why that optimization can fail is near endless, C even added the restrict keyword because just having write access to two pointers of compatible types can force the compiler to reload values constantly. In python anything is a function call to some unknown code and any function could get access to any variable on the stack (manipulating python stack frames is fun).
Then there is the fun thing the C++ compiler gets up to with varibles that are modified by different threads, while(!done) turning into while(true) because you didn't tell the compiler that done needs to be threadsafe is always fun.
And what do you do with that information? Refuse to fork after you detect more than one thread running? I haven’t seen any code that gracefully handles the unable-to-fork scenario. When people write fork-based code, especially in Python, they always expect forking to succeed.
> "don't let kids use a computer until they're 18"
Ideally you would lock them up in a padded room until then. There is a significant amount of shared real world space that isn't supervised and doesn't require any age verification to enter either.
Notably, explicitly adult spaces like bars and porn shops are not among them, and a significant amount of virtual space would also not require age verification for the same reason.
Rules vary. In Britain it was completely normal for say 15-year old me to be in a bar - it was illegal to buy booze but not a problem to be there. But when I travelled to Austin aged 19 I couldn't meet adult members of my team in the hotel bar because I wasn't old enough even though by then I was legal to drink, to marry, to go to war and so on in my own country.
A little while after that, back in the UK, I drove my young cousin to the seaside. I didn't carry ID - I don't drink and you're not required to carry ID to drive here† so it was never necessary back then, but she did, so I try to buy her booze, they demand ID, I do not have any ID so I can't buy it even though I'm old enough to drink. So, she just orders her own booze, she's under age but they don't ask because she's pretty.
† The law here says police are allowed to ask to see a driving license if you're in charge of a vehicle on a public road, but, since you aren't required to carry it they can require you to attend a police station and show documents within a few days. In practice in 2026 police have network access and so they can very easily go from "Jim Smith, NW1A 4DQ" to a photo and confirmation that you're licensed to drive a bus or whatever if you are co-operative.
Given that nobody else banned it we can now blame Microsoft for taking down the only decent online community. Now we are stuck on hackernews and its ilk.
Decent communities that strive for a high standard of conversation like r/credibledefense/ will immediately ban you for posting such nonsense.
Go look and tell me that's not one of the best curated communities on the internet, despite specifically covering incredibly controversial topics. HN is good but doesn't even come close.
The rules they enforce on normal posts are so strict that they have to create daily "mega" threads with less stringend rules just to keep the sub on life support. A+ moderation, clearly a healthy and well managed community.
On life support with those "mega" threads getting 1000+ comments a day?
The split works very well, the megathreads mostly stick to tracking rapidly developing situations in which separate threads would just be spammy and unnecessarily fragment the conversation
Modern versions of standard C aren't very portable either, unless you plan to stick to the original version of K&R C you have to pick and choose which implementations you plan to support.
I disagree. Modern C with C17 and C23 make this less of an issue. Sure, some vendors suck and some people take shortcuts with embedded systems, but the standard is there and adopted by GCC, Clang and even MSVC has shaped up a bit.
Well, if that is the standard for portability then may_alias might as well be standard. GCC and Clang support it and MSVC doesn't implement the affected optimization as far as I can find.
Within the context of this discussion portability was mentioned as key feature of the standard. If C23 adoption is as limited as the, possibly outdated, tables on cppreference and your comments about gcc, clang and msvc suggest then the functionality provided by the gcc attribute would be more portable than C23 conformant code. You could call it a de facto standard, as opposed to C23 which is a standard in the sense someone said so.
These "edge cases" were required knowledge to get a license in my home country. You make room for any emergency vehicles, you don't try to score an ultra kill when passing a school bus and you certainly don't drive on rail tracks.
I’ve seen pictures in Germany where cars will move to the side of the expressway during a traffic jam to make room for emergency vehicles. I could tell that wasn’t the USA for sure.
My experience is that they somehow print quite modern code despite things like ES6 being too new to be standard knowledge even for me and I'm not even middle-aged yet
Maybe the last 10 years saw so much more modern code than the last cumulative 40+ years of coding and so modern code is statistically more likely to be output? Or maybe they assign higher weights to more recent commits/sources during training? Not sure but it seems to be good at picking this up. And you can always feed the info into its context window until then
This is not my experience. Claude has been happily generating code over the past week that is full of implicit any and using code that's been deprecated for at least 2 years.
>> Maybe the last 10 years saw so much more modern code than the last cumulative 40+ years of coding and so modern code is statistically more likely to be output?
The rate of change has made defining "modern" even more difficult and the timeframe brief, plus all that new code is based on old code, so it's more like a leaning tower than some sort of solid foundation.
Exactly, I learned coding JS before 2015 (it was my first language, picked up during what is probably called middle school in english). I haven't had to learn it again from scratch, so I need to go out of my way to find if there is maybe a better way to do the thing I can already do fine. It's not automatic knowledge, yet the LLM seems to have no trouble with it, so I'm pointing out that they seem to not have problems upgrading. The grandparent comment suggested it would need to be trained anew to use this new method instead. Given how much old (non-ES6) JS there is, apparently it gets it quite easily so any update that includes some amount of this new code will probably do it just fine
Theoretically, if you could train your own, and remove all references to the deprecated code in the training data, it wouldn't be able to emit deprecated code. Realistically that ability is out of reach at the hobbiest level so it will have to remain theoretical for at least a few more iterations of Moore's law.
> An ABI can't control whether one or both parties either end of the interface are honest.
You are aware that Rust already fails that without dynamic linking? The wrapper around the C getenv functionality was
originally considered safe, despite every bit of documentation on getenv calling out thread safety issues.
Yes? That's called a bug? The standard library incorrectly labelled something as safe, and then changed it. The root was an unsafe FFI call which was incorrectly marked as safe.
It's no different than a bug in an unsafe pure Rust function.
I'm choosing to ignore that libc is typically dynamically linked, but linking in foreign code and marking it safe is a choice to trust the code. Under dynamic linking anything could get linked in, unlike static linking. At least a static link only includes the code you (theoretically) audited and decided is safe.
I would say it is part python being highly dynamic and part C++ being full of undefined behavior.
A c++ compiler will only optimize member access if it can prove that the member isn't overwritten in the same thread. Compatible pointers, opaque method calls, ... the list of reasons why that optimization can fail is near endless, C even added the restrict keyword because just having write access to two pointers of compatible types can force the compiler to reload values constantly. In python anything is a function call to some unknown code and any function could get access to any variable on the stack (manipulating python stack frames is fun).
Then there is the fun thing the C++ compiler gets up to with varibles that are modified by different threads, while(!done) turning into while(true) because you didn't tell the compiler that done needs to be threadsafe is always fun.
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