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https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-davies-internal-tld-00...

There are certain circumstances where private network operators may wish to use their own domain naming scheme that is not intended to be used or accessible by the global domain name system (DNS), such as within closed corporate or home networks.

The "internal" top-level domain is reserved to provide this purpose in the DNS. Such domains will not resolve in the global DNS, but can be configured within closed networks as the network operator sees fit.

This reservation is intended for a similar purpose that private-use IP address ranges that are set aside (e.g. [RFC1918]).


The US Government ended its involvement in IANA when it moved to an international oversight model in 2016. IANA is operated by Public Technical Identifiers which is an affiliate of ICANN, and ICANN provides all of its funding. Governments have a say in how ICANN operates through its Government Advisory Committee, at which all governments — including the US — have a seat.


Great clarification. What I'm poking at is that in all likelihood the US will hold the same view towards a gTLD as a ccTLD and for the same reasons. It is in line with Western ideals to preserve free speech, and so governments of Western societies must appeal to those ideals. The US is no exception, as seen by its willingness to be hands off with regards to IANA and ICANN.


The license is a bit perplexing at https://gitlab.com/mbryant/functiontrace/-/blob/master/LICEN...

It says it is licensed under Apache License 2.0, but also under "Prosperity Public License 3.0.0" which limits use for a commercial purpose to 30 days.


I'm not sure why the Gitlab UI shows Apache 2.0, but PPL3.0 is the correct license (and is in LICENSE.md).


I don't see any pricing page or anything. So if I'm a business and after the 30 days decide I'm sold on it, what exactly do I do?


The website (https://functiontrace.com/) mentions that dual licensing is available at the bottom of the page, so my best guess would be that you need to contact the author for pricing details.


ah, that makes sense. Thanks!


It would appear to be in the final stages of standardization in the IETF: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-uuidrev-rfc4122b...


Your first suggestion almost perfectly articulated UNLOCODEs, e.g. "US LAX" https://service.unece.org/trade/locode/usk.htm


Some TLDs like .tk (Tokelau) are offered for free.


Not really free in the long run:

> users can take out the .tk domain for free for 12 months, before then having to pay a small subscription fee.

Source: https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/domains/domain-news/the-t...


Not exactly - you can renew them for 12 months (or less) at a pop for free "forever"

Or you can register them for multiples of a year (starting at 1 year) for money


freenom has a deserved reputation for seizing domains when they get a lot of traffic so they can run shitty ads and recoup they cost


Are you sure its not in reference to "Greek" the language, rather than "Greece" the country? "el" is coding for Greek in ISO 639, IANA language subtags, etc.


It does seem to be EL for the country. See, for example: https://publications.europa.eu/code/pdf/370000en.htm

EDIT: Perhaps it would have been nice if ISO 639 and ISO 3166 had been better coordinated so we didn't have cs_CZ, da_DK, sv_SE, ...


... and .hm and .nf.

The history on why some external territories are coded is because an international standard is the basis for the two-letters used for these TLDs, and that standard is used for other purposes. Far flung localities are often coded due to things like physical mail delivery or customs boundaries which utilize the same standard.

Why does .eu exist? Essentially because "eu" was coded for the European Union to facilitate "EUR" as a currency code when the Euro was introduced. ISO 4217 currency codes derive from ISO 3166 country codes.


ICANN is finalizing a policy that will govern this question. In short, if adopted, 5-10 years after the country is removed from the ISO 3166-1 standard it will be removed as a TLD.

https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/ccnso-propose...


> There is a good faith obligation to ensure an orderly shutdown of the retiring ccTLD which takes into consideration the interests of its registrants and the stability and security of the DNS.

> The Manager of the ccTLD should be notified (Notice of Removal) that the ccTLD shall be removed from the Root Zone five years from the date of the notice.

ICANN’s lack of perspective is stunning. If I own a domain on any TLD my interest as a registrant is having that TLD around forever. I’m one of the few that thinks the new TLDs are an amazing opportunity for people to build brands and identities. I’m also never going to rely on anything but .com because I don’t trust ICANN.

ICANN is one of the most important institutions around, so it’s sad to see them working so hard for themselves and the registries while making registrars and registrants a secondary consideration (IMO).


> I’m also never going to rely on anything but .com because I don’t trust ICANN.

what's wrong with the other 2 of the "original 3" gLTDs: .net and .org?

i spent an afternoon digging into the ownership of all of this stuff, and .org felt like the safest option. .com and .net are more directly owned/operated by a US for-profit company (Verisign) who has complied with US requests to seize .com domains in the past. .org at least still has structural ties to a non-profit with chapters across the globe, even if it's incorporated in the US.


.org almost got bought by scummy rent-seeking bastards as of like a year or two ago. Wouldn't consider it that safe, personally.


Everyone running a high-level domain like that is essentially rent-seeking, no?

(Is there a better term for 'high-level domain'? It doesn't necessarily have to be a TLD after all.)


> Everyone running a high-level domain like that is essentially rent-seeking, no?

Possibly as a technical, economics definition. I'd say no because real registries are adding value. What I'd call rent-seeking here specifically is destroying the market just to increase one's share of it.

The value I see registries providing is in large-part just consistency. A .com should cost and act about the same 10 years from now as it does today. If you start exponentially increasing cost (well past inflation), you're mostly just holding everyone hostage that currently owns a domain, until everyone is priced out and the TLD is destroyed.

> there a better term for 'high-level domain'?

IMO TLD is fine for this level of conversation, I'm not 100% sure if it's technically correct or not in _all_ cases, but it gets the right idea across. A "domain registry" or just "registry" is a good term for an entity running a TLD.


They’re probably ok, but .com is massive by comparison and there’s strength in numbers. Anything shady involving the .com TLD will get immediate, large scale publicity and pushback.


> what's wrong with the other 2 of the "original 3" gLTDs: .net and .org?

I find it interesting which TLDs took off and which didn't. I see exceedingly little use the venerable of .biz and .info, for example, yet .co has seen broader adoption in a shorter time frame.


Not to be over picky, but from my first memories of the Internet at uni (1990) there were 5 tlds, in addion to the ones you mentioned were ac (academic) and gov. Both are not open to the general public though so your point stands.


> in addion to the ones you mentioned were ac (academic) and gov

Wasn’t it .edu for education? .ac is the ccTLD of the Ascension Island.

.mil was there from the beginning IIRC. And .int came not much later.




Do you trust your country to continue existing? I do.


A country can simply change its name without major conflict. The people still exist. Law and order never breaks down. But it becomes a "new" country.

That could result in existing TLDs going away.

One possible example would be Scotland voting to peacefully leave the UK. It's very possible the UK would change its name after that, since it's not really the union of those two kingdoms anymore.


If there's ever a need to change the British flag I hope the government takes the opportunity to incorporate the Welsh flag. It's easily the best flag in the UK if not Europe as a whole!


Interestingly Eswatini (formerly Swaziland) still uses the .sz TLD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini


> One possible example would be Scotland voting to peacefully leave the UK. It's very possible the UK would change its name after that, since it's not really the union of those two kingdoms anymore.

It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland is part of the former bit (Great Britain) alongside England and Wales.


It's a union of three kingdoms, or 2-and-a-bit kingdoms:

   England and Wales (927)
 + Scotland (1707)
 + Ireland (1802)
 - most of Ireland (1922), leaving only Northern Ireland
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would probably change its name if Scotland seceded, but perhaps to the United Kingdom of England and Wales and Northern Ireland. The official ISO code (GB) would change (EI? EW?) but the reserved code (UK) need not.


Theoretically Northern Ireland could join the Republic of Ireland and Wales and Scotland could both go independent, and then it’s definitely not a United Kingdom. What happens to the millions (?) of .co.uk websites?


You can still buy Soviet Union TLDs (.su). Does this mean .su owners will lose their domains in 5-10 years? Seems like there should be some kind of grandfathering clause.


Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, USSR have all disappeared in my lifetime. Austria disappeared briefly in my grandparents’ lifetime. Somaliland’s legal existence was extinguished in ~1966 and the international community is not letting its practical existence get in the way of refusing to recognize it.

Wars of conquest, civil wars, dissolution and change happen.


ccTLDs tend to be subject to much more baroque terms. For example, restrictions on citizenship, residency, or "genuine connection", restrictions on content and speech and other legal requirements.

For example when UK left the EU then all UK registrants of .eu domains were made to relinquish them. No grandfathering. This kind of nonsense doesn't occur on .com


.eu is not a ccTLD, because the European Union is not a country.


Yes, .eu is a ccTLD. "EU" appears in ISO 3166-1, a list of codes for countries and other geographical purposes, under the Exceptional Reservations category. TLDs in use on the basis of an entry on ISO 3166-1 are known as "country code top-level domains," even if the use of the word country is ambiguous or administratively incorrect.

For example, no one (well, perhaps we should say few) would argue that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is not a country, yet it operates ccTLD .uk which is not a country code assigned to a sovereign entity. GB is the country code for that country; UK is an exceptional reservation.


> For example when UK left the EU then all UK registrants of .eu domains were made to relinquish them. No grandfathering. This kind of nonsense doesn't occur on .com

Do you happen to have a source that supports that claim? I've registered .eu domains in the past and I never had to even offer any proof of citizenship or residency or anything of the sort. I searched for the domains, clicked on "buy", and that was that.


The parent is correct, in theory .eu requires residency or citizenship in order to register a domain[1]. After Brexit holders of .eu domains that did not meet the criteria lost their domains[2].

And the .eu is not the most restrictive ! I am a French citizen but live outside the EU, so I can't get a .fr domain (at least, again, in theory - haven't tried in practice) but I could get a .eu one.

[1]: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/rules-for-eu-domain...

[2]: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/


Your registrar isn't doing the necessary due diligence then - mine made me send them a scan of either passport/ID or residency permit.

https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/


Yeah, if .ca disappears it means I probably have a bigger problem.


I think .ca is one of the safer TLDs if you’re Canadian.


The country yes, the TLD not as much

For example .uk - If one day we decide to ditch the monarchy and become a republic I imagine this might change back to .gb

Everything would probably be grandfathered in of course being a reasonably populated TLD, and .gb would probably be wayyy less popular because it kinda sucks as a character combo, but it's a possibility.


I would say com net and org but beyond that nope dont trust it for the most part. ICANN will fuck it up in a short sided ill advised money grab eventually


Something like this could fork the internet dns into multiple versions


There have been plenty of attempts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root


What will happen to .su? (Soviet union)


It all depends on the war. If Russia can defeat the NATO then .su might be useful again.. ;)


Russia can't defeat NATO.


More specifically, the Avangard hypersonic missile system may be just another exaggeration from the Putin regime. It is not known how reliable or precise it is, or if it actually works.


Are there any active .su domains?


Yes. And there is a growing number each year.


Finalizing and actually finalized are very different things in ICANN land. If they ever do try to implement this policy its likely to end up in court for years.

I can't see Afilias just rolling over when .io (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory) ends up needing to be removed.


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