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Someone makes a post with a "Police" username, and all of a sudden it's a botnet.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't notice it was plural: botnets.


Europe spends way more than US.


So your proposal is that we do business with all these countries so they have thriving economies with more money they can invest into their government and military?


I look at it the complete opposite way: humans are defining intelligence upwards to make sure they can perceive themselves better than a computer.

It's clear that humans consider humans as intelligent. Is a monkey intelligent? A dolphin? A crow? An ant?

So I ask you, what is the lowest form of intelligence to you?

(I'm also a huge David Lynch fan by the way :D)


Intelligence has been a poorly defined moving goal post for as long as AI research has been around.

Originally they thought: chess takes intelligence, so if computers can play chess, they must be intelligent. Eventually they could, and later even better than humans, but it's a very narrow aspect of intelligence.

Struggling to define what we mean by intelligence has always been part of AI research. Except when researchers stopped worrying about intelligence and started focusing on more well-defined tasks, like chess, translation, image recognition, driving, etc.

I don't know if we'll ever reach AGI, but on the way we'll discover a lot more about what we mean by intelligence.


If you look at my comment history you will see that I don't think LLMs are nearly as intelligent as rats or pigeons. Rats and pigeons have an intuitive understanding of quantity and LLMs do not.

I don't know what "the lowest form of intelligence" is, nobody has a clue what cognition means in lampreys and hagfish.


Im not sure what that gets you. I think most people would suggest that it appears to be a sliding scale. Humans, dolphins / crows, ants, etc. What does that get us?


Well, is an LLM more intelligent than an ant?


I would say yes. But is it more intelligent than an ant hill?


Hey, Belgian here. Our government cannot just de-bank, de-pension or de- anything else you are suggesting, and definitely not by the "crime" of protesting (what a ridiculous statement!)

We protest here too by the way, this weekend about 100k in Brussels.

That you make these claims is just plain up ridiculous.


Are you aware that the world(and Europe for that matter) is much larger than Belgium, with way different laws on what the state can do to you?

For example in Canada they de-banked the truckers, in Germany they de-pensioned a retiree who was planning to bring back the Kaiser.

So yeah, it happens, you're just ignorant from your bubble.


You were talking about "people in the West". Belgians are people in the west, and we don't comply to your statements.

Secondly, I don't believe a word you say about Germany. Source please.

Don't generalize what happened once in Canada to the whole "Western world" and all kinds of de-.... And as far as I remember, those truckers were protesting. So they certainly didn't comply to your description of being indoctrinated to trust their government.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox explains it all, and should be common knowledge by now.

Your reasonable comment being downvoted doesn't surprise me. I'm feeling more and more alienated from HN lately.


How do you explain that more gender equal countries have less girls in STEM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox


This coupled with the fact that "web development" now means anything going from a content rich website like a blog, towards some e-shop, all the way to complex applications like ux design, video editing, etc.

It's pretty absurd to have such a broad range of web solutions, and think the same solution can cover everything.


Why? Microsoft's GUI framework as well as Apple's covered plenty of use cases before the rise of the web browser.


Then why did HTML became so popular if win32 or MFC were so great?


> Then why did HTML became so popular if win32 or MFC were so great?

One of the factors is that web dev pushes for a complete separation of concerns, and thus allows frontend developers to specialize in front end development. Therefore it becomes far easier to hire someone to do frontend work with a webdev background than a win32/MFC background.

Number of applicants is also a big factor. There is far more demand for webdev than pure GUI programming. You can only hire people who show up, and if no one shows up then you need to scramble.

Frontend development is also by far the most expensive part of a project. In projects which use low-level native frameworks you are forced to hire a team for each target platform. Adopting technologies that implement GUIs with webpages running in a WebView allow projects to halve the cost. This is also why technologies like React Native shine.

Also, apps like Visual Studio Code prove that webview-based apps can be both nice to look at and be performant.

It's not capabilities. It's mainly the economics.


In the win32/MFC days, there was no "front-end developer". There was only HTML and content creators writing it.

Then there came small web applications, and still no "front-end developers", since functionality could only work on the server.

It's only when AJAX was introduced in the mid 2000's that you could start to talk about "front-end developers".

By that time, win32 and MFC was old. We had Java, C# with .net framework, etc.


Because it solved different problems. CSS is terrible, but deployment simplicity and distribution channel were more powerful than how shitty HTML is for making GUIs. The fact that MFC was owned by Microsoft didn't help either.


Why would you make GUI's with HTML? Its main use was for content, not applications. Hyper Text Markup Language.

So you agree both solve different problems. Well, those are 2 use cases of front-end right now.


I'm also working with Next.js, app router, and like it very much.

The problem is probably that Next.js makes it very easy to move between front and back end, but people think this part is abstracted away.

It's actually a pretty complex system, and you need to be able to handle that complexity yourself. But complexity does not mean it makes you slower or less productive.

A system with a clearly separated front- and back-end is easier to reason about, but it's also more cumbersome to get things done.

So to anyone who knows React and wants to move to Next.js, I would warn that even though you know React, Next.js has a pretty step learning curve, and some things you will have to experience yourself and figure out. But once you do, it's a convenient system to easily move between front- and back-end without too much hassle.


This has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with cults, beliefs, fears, Russian disinformation campaigns, political alignment, etc.

I've seen intelligent people fall for crazy conspiracy theories. Once all those antivaxers became pro-Russia, which basically has nothing to do with each other, it became clear were all this disinformation was coming from (talking mainly about Central Europe here, but I'm sure it applies to US too)


Once all those antivaxers became pro-Russia, which basically has nothing to do with each other

Not necessarily the case, as Russia has a longstanding record of propagating public-health misinformation. See https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39419560 for instance.

This has been a part of their national agenda since the Communist revolution. "If we can't improve our own country, at least we can fuck up everybody else's."


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