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That raises the question of how to identify the sick. SARS-CoV-2 infections can be transmissible before the infected shows any symptoms, if they present at all.

Personally, I don't feel that there are many population centers in the US that are prepared to do the kind of testing that seems like would be needed to properly identify the sick.


Apparently this is not really the case any longer: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-pat...


My understanding of the extant research is that SARS-CoV-2 jumped from bats to pangolins to humans in wet markets in China that sold "farmed" wildlife.

In short, yes. Wet, wildlife markets in China were the source of this outbreak.


A StarLink style satellite array actually has good latency even when compared to traditional fiber networks[1].

I recall some calculations that showed a decrease in latency over long distances because light travels slightly faster in a vacuum, there are fewer intermediate nodes over that distance, and a more direct path can be used than in our existing wired networks.

The biggest issue with current satellite connections is that the satellites are in geostationary orbits which imposes a minimum theoretical latency of something like half a second. It's physically impossible to send signals any faster[2].

1: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/musk-...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access#Sign...


I've had a similar experience at my job and I think it's actually both things.

On one side you have people that managed to claw their way through the boot camp but didn't actually pick up any of the skills; they memorized enough to get through instead of actually learning stuff. On the other side, you have people that did learn but aren't confident in their skills and so flub the interview when their confidence gives out.

I've watched the latter happen on more than one occasion and I really wish I knew how to handle it as an interviewer.


If only I could be so grossly incandescent.


My mom has a similar saying: "People enter your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime." The idea is the same: you should cherish the relationships you have - while you have them - and let them go when they're over.


I really like that one too. Cheers


NGL, I'm not really sure why this is such a big deal. i understand it being done without the owners' express consent - that would piss me off too - but Yelp is just trying to help. I'd totally understand a "well, thanks, I guess, but what the fuck?" attitude than the vitriol the person at the end seems to be spouting.

Am I just missing something? Why wouldn't these businesses want people to help them out in this? Is it just the lack of notification and consent gathering?


You should never partake in financial activities of a business you are not involved with or have a relationship with. Its horribly unethical.

Especially when you spend so much time to build an image, a brand, a relationship with your customers, it automatically be associated with a company with such an unethical past, poor brand, etc.... They are ruining years of hard work by the owners without asking them for any sort of consent? I would never want to be associated with Yelp, way more damage to my brand than help.


I mean imagine you have a bar and although you needed to close it due to covid19 you are still good financially. If all of a sudden someone else decided to ask your customers for money because you might need it, wouldn’t that be weird? I wonder why such things aren’t just opt-in. I mean it’s a really nice and good thing, but Yelp proactively activating it makes me believe they are bad people and have some kind of revenue/fee share model in place.


Just one example: Some places in San Francisco charge their customers for a membership already. Having Yelp do this completely kills the trust your customers have in you.

Yelp does not own the relationship between businesses and customers. I don't understand why this isn't obvious. Hell is full of good intentions.


> Hell is full of good intentions.

Hell is full of 15% to GoFundMe without disclosure, and requiring multiple pieces of PII to opt-out.


Optimistic of you, to assume good intentions here.


It puts the owner of a for-profit business in the position of looking like they are looking for handouts from their customers. Someone who is strongly against that (on grounds of either ethics or pride IMO) would be justifiably offended, if not quite to the level of vitriol in the headline.


You're still centralizing a power. It would probably be better to have some rule that's based on quorum and consensus than specifically elected people. E.g. at least some percentage (say 60%) of active contributors must weigh in and some percentage of those (perhaps a simple majority) must agree that a violation took place.

Granted, that's still open to abuse if the quorum requirements are small enough (how small would depend on the quantity of abusers), but I feel it's more in spirit than centralizing the power into a sub-group.

I will further grant that it's likely that, in any group, only a subset will care enough about these things to police them, so the point may be moot.


I use Keeper at my current job and find it to be a horrendously bad UX.

Off the top of my head:

1) The browser plugin is horribly written and has cause me numerous problems (Linux latop, YMMV), mostly related to performance and memory usage (both very bad).

2) Horrible 2FA management. You can configure Keeper to not ask you for your 2FA on a device for an hour, 30 days, or never again (iirc) and sometimes it'll just stop asking (like it did for me just now) or switch to a different 2FA for no obvious reason (I have both a security key and OTP).

3) Personal Opinion: I hate the layout of the "vault" and the browser extension's windows. I find all of them to be clunky and hard to use.

On the plus side, I do like how the actual records work. Most fields are optional and they have a decent custom field system. So, you can store pretty much anything in a reasonable way (from database credentials to PII, if you're into that).


We use keeper at our company too and find quite the opposite experience.

The browser extension worked the best of any we trialed (this includes Dashlane, LP, Bitwarden, and 1Password).

Our users found the 2FA to be self explanatory and liked the option to use Yubikeys (when the platform supports it) and defaulting back to TOTP when not available.

The UI is simple and clear and as you pointed out the records are flexible.

Sharing is easy and the most robust of any solution we tested. (see what happens when a user you didn't intend to share with gets ahold of the share link in LastPass).

Data replication between uses and devices was near instantaneous with no user action to ensure the vault was in sync.

Additionally, we subscribe to BreachWatch and have gotten immense value in knowing that our users are not using breached credentials.

One final note from an enterprise perspective, the admin console for Keeper was clearly the easiest to use with the most features of any of the solutions we trialed.


WRT 2FA, my problem is more in using it than managing the available options. As I mentioned, mine is constantly misbehaving and, without any action on my part, hasn't requested any of my configured 2FA options in, now, multiple days. I'm guessing I must have somehow changed the "don't ask me in" dropdown without meaning to.

WRT sharing, I can agree with that. LastPass's sharing isn't as robust, though I don't recall ever using share links. I don't like that Keeper doesn't tell you what record you just received, though. I already have many dozens of records and it can be difficult for me to find new ones that have been shared with me.

I've never had an issue with data replication on LastPass and haven't needed it with Keeper (I only have it on one machine, anyways).

I can't speak to the Admin UI's of either, though. I've never used them in an org setting. The closest I've come to that is the family account I manage via LastPass, which I imagine isn't the same as what you'd get with a full enterprise account.

All that aside, I'm glad that it's been working well for you and your org. I'm sure Keeper is fine (particularly on Windows or Mac) and that my experience is atypical, but it's still my experience with the thing. Unfortunately, I hate it.


Hi @maemilius I appreciate your feedback regarding the Keeper UI on Linux, 2FA etc. I’m the CTO of Keeper and I’m a Linux Ubuntu user myself. I would really appreciate if you could email me directly and we can troubleshoot the issues you are experiencing. Most of our users are on Windows or Mac, so perhaps there is something we need to check on for the specific Linux platform you are using. In regards to UI, also happy to share with you some of the updates in the works. If you email craig@keepersecurity.com that would be awesome.


Thanks for the feedback! The custom field system is intriguing but the rest sounds bad enough that getting people to actually use it would be difficult.


Hi @kipchak I think the comments above are very linux-user-specific so feel free to ping me directly and I’ll walk you through a demo of the full platform. craig@keepersecurity.com


That may have actually been (slightly?) intentional. When talking about our Sun in the greater context of stars, I've often seen it referred to as "Sol". The best immediate example I have are games like Stellaris or Elite: Dangerous which refer to our home system as the "Sol System" and our star as "Sol", but I recall hearing it in non-sci-fi contexts as well.

I'm not really sure how the etymology works out on all of that, though.


It’s from Latin for “sun”.


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