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nature sounds! they help me focus and relax :)

earth.fm is now at 700+ recordings


wow this look awesome!


thanks, bruv!


That’s impossible unfortunately. Money alone won’t “buy” a guilt free, business-as-usual lifestyle in the face of this emergency. I suggest doing a bit more research to see for yourself what I mean.


This is clearly false. Subsidizing the conversion of the the entire world to clean energy does more good than burning an ounce of coal does harm.

Conversely, planting one tree is insufficient to buy an SUV guilt-free.

There’s inherently a crossover point somewhere.


Yeah this is pretty interesting. There's some set of activities (getting everyone on renewables, making clean construction/ag/transportation cost effective, political action, etc) that would actually allow someone to be guilt free. It would be way more money than just offsetting the footprint but it could fully cover all externalities....

That's kind of theoretical still, but perhaps we could crack it


Can anyone recommend some really privacy-focused VPNs?


You should really do some due diligence on finding the right VPN for your needs.

I recommend you read this https://thatoneprivacysite.net/choosing-the-best-vpn-for-you...


other ethical alternatives have been compiled here: https://ethical.net/resources/


Feel free to share your journey on dm or on the forum https://community.ethical.net


The most basic ethical thing to do is simply being nice. Is that a popular thing on HN? :)


Is it nice to return to your neighbor his sword you borrowed when you know he is very angry with another person and wants to kill them?


Wait, you’ve borrowed the sword to peel off some gigantic potatoes right? That’s nice!


nah, I used it to untie the gordian knot oops... spoiler


Hey, thanks for stopping by.

So better not bother even thinking about ethics at all?

More on the topic of ethics here: https://ethical.net/ethical/future-ethics-with-cennydd-bowle... https://ethical.net/ethical/ethics-should-not-be-a-luxury/


Definitely not. Precisely because I care about ethics that I bring these up. The reason is that I think we as a society (well, at least a subset of the tech community) romanticizes free (beer and speech), open-source, decentralized, and non-profit projects so much that we automatically equate them as being ethical. (Exhibit A: this website, ethical.net.)

The truth is that ethics is hugely complex and nuanced. For example, what is your take on a super secure messaging app like Signal? Obviously, it is useful because it allows people to communicate privately (e.g., allows confidential sources to talk to journalists without being spied on). Now, what about the cliched scenario where it is being used by criminals to coordinate their bad deeds? Honestly, I don't know. I live in a democratic country whose government respects its citizen's privacy. As such, I am perfectly willing to give up a little bit of privacy (between myself and my government) if it means keeping the society safer. On the other hand, there are people (lots of em) who are not as fortunate as I am -- a wrong sneeze and you are dead.

Ethics is complicated. Even if we fully understand a product (or policy or project), it doesn't mean we fully understand its ethical impact. And even if we do understand its ethical impact, it is almost impossible for us to say if its entirety ethical or not. Because of these complexities, any attempt to consider ethics as a yes/no label (like this site, ethical.net) is almost certainly wrong. In fact, it trivializes this very important issue.


Is this a list of ethical software, carefully curated and thought about, or is this a list of non-main-stream software with the implicit assumption that contrarianism is implicitly ethical?

When I look at your list, I just see a sentence of ad copy about each product and an outbound link. Why not an essay about each product and the criteria you used when deciding that product was ethical and its competitors were not?


No, be upfront with your definition, engage in discussion, and don't patronize criticisms.

You don't get to proclaim something ethical and then move along. That's close-minded and ripe for abuse.


Thanks for sharing! I've been personally trying to move away from everything google and it's SO difficult. Gmail and Maps are the last things I'm using, but I am still hopeful. I feel it's more of an addiction than anything else really.


Thanks for sharing, we've got this a lot, so kinda got used to it as the default reply, especially in the tech community :)


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