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I agree "production failure" is inaccurate. The real reasons are 'corruption and incompetence'.

And yet TSLA sits comfortably at ~$450. If someone knowledgeable can explain this to me, I'd be very grateful.

It's better to think of tesla as an MIC company than a typical auto manufacturer (indeed the auto industry has always held a tight, symbiotic, and often mandatory link with the military).

Tesla's domestic EV manufacturing, Starlink's satellite network, and ofc SpaceX are all critical pieces of American foreign policy. It should be obvious why Tesla is one of the most heavily subsidized companies of all time[0]

[0] https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc


I don't really understand why Tesla is part of the MIC. They don't do anything for the military and has no strategic value. In terms of foreign policy, considering the US has soft-power due to Tesla, the company continues to under perform year-by-year while European and Chinese companies are gaining market share.

I am not a fan of Elon Musk, I've been skeptical of his accomplishments way before his involvement in politics so I may be a little biased. But it seems to me that Tesla is a failure. The last new model launched was a flop and a subject of general ridicule, they've stopped innovating, the existing models are last in reliability scores and no promises were kept wrt to self-driving, robotaxis, hyperloop or whatever other sci-fi scam was talked about at every shareholder meeting.

I really don't understand how in other areas (such as Enterprise AI or cloud computing in the past) investors want to see actual growth and huge returns and they threaten to pull their money constantly. But when it comes to Tesla in particular, the company keeps getting years and years of leeway while it's failing and failing.

Perhaps the hope is that it will get nationalized or be in some sort of public-private partnership that would ensure perpetual bailouts and it's just a way of sucking off money from the taxpayer?


Purchasing TSLA is placing a bet that Elon Musk can generate enough hype such that somebody else will purchase TSLA from you at a higher price later.


> explain this to me

Humans are the same emotional, irrational apes as we were 100,000 years ago, and the most emotional and irrational thing any of us do, bar none, is delude ourselves by pretending that we aren't.


I'd argue we're too rational and not irrational enough. If we were sufficiently irrational, the first time Musk-rat lied, everyone woulda bailed. It takes a thoroughly motivated rationality to cling to the hopes of promises that won't ever be kept.

People are VERY gullible.

The market is now a casino is how

bingo

So thankful for this development. This was the final nudge I needed to finally ditch Gmail, after 20something years.

Just a couple of days ago, this account was anti-censorship https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46567052

Wanted to let you know you're arguing with a Russian troll, the type you hear about in the news.


Tons of rightwingers on HN. The 'don't tread on me' people who are now in the 'the secret police should check everyone's papers' camp.


Montlake Terrace WA did https://www.heraldnet.com/news/mountlake-terrace-cancels-flo...

My hope is that https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/11/washington-court-rules... will make Flock get the fuck out of Washington state.


It's good that MLT did cancel them, but there's still a ton up that way. Mill Creek, Lynnwood, Marysville, just for a few examples.


> * over Ukraine

Only tankies use the expression 'the Ukraine'

https://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/


> Google needs to fix this, it's really bad.

Do they really? It seems the incentives are aligned so that they continue making the big bucks regardless of 'petty grievances' such as these..


> The top people are all who kissed each others ass and looked out only for their cohort (e.g. people who were in same positions as them in early 2013). So teach your kids to kiss ass and play poltiics.

After more than 20 years in big tech, I agree, this is basically it. Your work can only get you so far. If it makes you feel any better, you can reframe politics as 'people systems' and work on optimizing the relationships in the system. Or whatever. But the gist of it is to find a powerful group and try to become a member of that group.


Russian troll operations mirror the narcissist prayer short of 'they deserve it' + whataboutism

- There are no such monuments in all of Russia

- If there are, they raised by some guy in some insignificant villages

- If there aren't in insignificant villages, they're in next to communist landmarks which makes it ok

- bUt wHaT AbOuT UkRaiNe reNaMinG CeNtRal aVeNuE In CapItal!??!??!?!??!??!??


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