Yeah and also they still want to get at least some sales on the mac studios and mac pros with ultra chips, 256gb m5 max wouldve straight up killed both of those products.

We can have nice things but nobody is going to hurt themselves to give out things that are the very best possible, theres probably a lesson in this

> 256gb m5 max would've straight up killed both of those products.

1) Not necessarily, as the thermals would presumably be different, the use-case is different (not everyone wants or needs a laptop; expandability of the Pro, etc.) and Max =/= Ultra, especially if you're crunching local inference.

2) Even if there was some cannibalisation, does that matter? Unless we assume Apple is running a higher profit margin on Studio/Pro machines (unlikely, since laptops are more expensive than the equivalent Mini/Studio) they're still making roughly the same money at the end of the day. And for the higher end (i.e. workloads needing the Ultra and/or >256GB RAM) there's still no competition.

3) I'd not be surprised (RAM shortages aside) to see the RAM options on the Ultra increase before long, maintaining the differentiation, just at a higher level.

Basically, Apple stumbled into relevance as (amazingly) the most cost-effective option for local inference. Having found themselves in this position, it would be a huge fail to not lean further into this. They seem to be doing this to an extent by optimising chips for e.g. prompt processing, but increasing the RAM is needed too.

laptops seem kinda solved now? for every cpu vendor and every os theres now a great option that just, works, so everyone can just use what they like and not be at a disadvantage due to not knowing the latest developements in the space, or due to habitual preference. Good type of boring

You'll get slightly more performance and ever so slightly less battery life. I'd do it

I don’t see how 30% more CPU, 50% more GPU and 2x the memory bandwidth is slightly more performance.

Thanks for the advice! Gonna do it.

You might also get more monitor support:

M5 Supports up to two external displays over any combination of Thunderbolt and HDMI ports:

Two displays up to a native resolution of 6K at 60Hz or 4K at 144Hz or

One display up to a native resolution of 8K at 60Hz or 5K at 120Hz or 4K at 240Hz

M5 Pro Supports up to three external displays over any combination of Thunderbolt and HDMI ports:

Three displays up to a native resolution of 6K at 60Hz or 4K at 144Hz or

One display up to a native resolution of 8K at 60Hz or 5K at 120Hz or 4K at 240Hz plus a second display up to a native resolution of 5K at 120Hz or 4K at 200Hz

I mean, they had to make them good because of the new cpu architecture, but since the emulation worked so well and overall adoption was really fast it now is a problem for them as a company. A really good problem to have though

Curious about that as well.

They seem to market it as a technological advancement, which it is, but rather than being excited im actually worried about hidden latencies that could come with that approach. Have you found any interesting info on that yet?

Then wait for reviews.

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This content was from a year ago and was not written by AI.

what is with people who are convinced everything is written by ai with no evidence lately?

not only is it down but its likely to be a decently sized hack too, many big accounts including elon having their bio edited to promote various crypto

Where did you see this? Elon's account looks fine and I'm not seeing any discussion on X about this.

the comment " be aware that talking to LLM actually moves carbon from earth into atmosphere" having 39 likes is ABSURD to me.

out of all the fascinating and awful things to care about with the advent of ai people pick co2 emissions? really? like really?

Of course it’s a reasonable thing to bring up. Resources are finite.

I know people who can no longer afford to heat their homes thanks to electricity going up so much (and who also went all-electric because of the push to that to reduce climate change). Before anyone says “solar”, solar isn’t very helpful in cold winter weather, nor is it at night, and before you say “storage”, it doesn’t help when it’s below -10 C out and modern heat pumps need to switch to resistive heat. My home needs 69A for 3-4 hours at night to stay heated when the temps are below -20 C. 66kWh of space is out of my reach and I’d have no way to recharge it anyway.

So, yes, consuming electricity wastefully has very real consequences for very real people. They simply get to be frozen (or will get to be overheated, once summer gets here). They don’t have access to private debt to pay their electric bill nor to install “sustainable” power generation.

As far as climate change being real… one of the aforementioned people just burns wood in a stove now since he can’t afford his electric. So that’s the actual impact of a pointless chatbot making stop quality PRs. Is that really the right direction?

No one is counting CO2 emissions. It's a quick understandable shorthand for pointing out that AI uses a lot of resources, from manufacturing the hardware to electricity use. It's a valid criticism considering how little value these bots actually contribute.

Right. The amount of CO2 we can emit is finite. For all the talk about how AI will use “sustainable” energy, its operators are just buying it off the grid at the lowest price they can get.

Yes like really. Do you have any other stupid questions?

> out of all the fascinating and awful things to care about with the advent of ai people pick co2 emissions? really? like really?

Yes. Because climate change is real. If you don't believe that then let your LLM of choice explain it to you.

i am impressed. no ai can ever write announements this bad