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Well OpenCode already exists and you can connect it to multiple providers, so you could just say that the agentic CLI harness business model as a service/billable feature is no more. In hindsight I would say it never made sense in the first place.

The above does not prove that it is irrational for Anthropic to keep the Claude Code source code closed. There are many reasons I can see (and probably some I can’t) for why closed source is advantageous for A\. One such (mentioned in various places) is the value-add of certain kinds of analytics and or telemetry.

Aside: it is pretty easy to let our appreciation* of OSS turn into a kind of confirmation bias about its value to other people/orgs.

* I can understand why people promote OSS from various POVs: ethics, security, end user control, ecosystem innovation, sheer generosity, promotion of goodwill, expressions of creativity, helping others, the love of building things, and much more. I value all of these things. But I’m wary of reasoning and philosophies that offer merely binary judgments, especially ones that try to claim what is best for another party. That's really hard to know so we do well to be humble about our claims.**

**: Finally, being humble about what one knows does not mean being "timid" with your logic or reasoning. Just be sure to state it as clearly as you can by mentioning your premises and values.


Branding and customer relationships matter as much or more than the "billable service" part of Claude Code.

It's not unheard of for companies that have strong customer mindshare to find themselves intermediated by competitors or other products to the point that they just became part of the infrastructure and eventually lose that mindshare.

I doubt Anthropic wants to become a swappable backend for the actual thing that developers reach for to do their work (the CLI tool).

Don't get me wrong, I think developers should 100% have the choice of tooling they want to use.

But from a business standpoint I think maintaining that direct or first-party connection to the developer is what Anthropic are trying to protect here.


When I compared OpenCode and Claude Code head to head a couple of months ago, Claude Code worked much better for me. I don't know if they closed the gap in the meantime, but for sure Claude Code has improved since then.

OpenCode launched a couple of months ago so that makes sense that it's worse. It's much better than Claude Code now. Somehow for the same model, opencode completes the same work faster than claude code and the ux is much better.

You win by adoption.

Here adoption is a combination on the tool and the model.

If people can’t pay the model to use the tool, they might not use the tool even if it’s better.

That’s what anthropic is doing.

It might be faster, but it’s more expensive.


There is no loyalty. They eho have the best models win.

The only way remains to try and lock consumers into your ecosystem.


Meant to say "it was worse" not "it's worse"

Disagree, this is like terraform for Hashicorp. Give the cow away for free and no one will want to buy the milk. Claude code is a golden cow they should not give away.

Except that the cost is better with their harness and looks like people don’t want to fork 5x.

Adoption is how one wins. Look at all the crappy solutions out there that are still around.


Antigravity also gives access to Opus 4.5, and OpenCode lets use Antigravity APIs too.

Sam wants so bad for OpenAI to be a proper big tech company, probably one that's more culturally similar to Apple-y than Google/MSFT-y so I guess they are cargo-culting some parts of Apple. That website reminds me of a very low quality version of Apple's myth-making ala Think Different. Ive is obviously also a big part of the cargo cult.


You should steel-man the argument. GP is talking about qualia, obviously for the sake of the argument you assume the comparison is between two people with similar eyes.


Steel-man is such a weird expression. There are no steel men. How about saying "The opponent's best argument".


The steel men (armored enemy knights) are exactly the inverse of the straw man (training dummy) metaphor. I think it's a fantastic term since it directly addresses the point (tackle the best opposing arguments head on instead of a poor subset/facsimile of them), it fits within the existing straw man metaphor, it's terse, and it's very clear.


Thanks for replying.


Why is that relevant if there is no one willing to prosecute and convict?


A forest can still exist despite people choosing to not see or look at it.


so corruption exists, that’s the pitch? learned something new today…


it is completely irrelevant but people still waste internet bandwidth with nonsense :)


It is stress in the consumer economy, everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI.


> It is stress in the consumer economy

The consumer economy is the reason for existence of everything else related to economics. Corps stressing the consumer economy is like the tail wagging and starving the dog. Amirite?

> everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI

The "better ROI" is the results of crooked financial schemes that steal from the consumer economy and redistribute to corporate fancies.

The circular debt schemes being employed here are going to be bailed out by the consumers by inflation and starvation, outright bailouts of the CDS market are quite likely as well.


> everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI

And they flocked to crypto and whatever else before.

i.e. this "consumer" economy is always last. It's never going to have better ROI.


> this "consumer" economy is always last. It's never going to have better ROI.

Facts of life, as it is today. Won't change without active engagement but without change of direction, the end is hell itself.


Welcome to the era of complex relationships with the truth. People comparing MCP to k8s is only the beginning.


Truth Has Died


Lemme ask an AI to double check that vibe.


I'd say this thread is both comparing and contrasting them...


Quaint. People 1%, AI 99%.


Well, depends on the software project itself and where you are in its development lifecycle but:

- (1) A lot of developing can be just chores around managing scaffolds and repeatable work, and due to this macros, autogenerated code and other tools have been a thing at many layers for a long time; and

- (2) I remember copy-pasting from Google/StackOverflow (i.e. mostly search + pattern matching with some minimal reasoning) being criticized as a low-effort mode of development during the 2010s, before ChatGPT and AI assisted coding tools took over that part.

So yes, I'd argue a huge amount of software development problems can be solved without ever actually reasoning from first principles, AI tools just made that more visible.


> go through much more than just predict-next-token training (RLHF, presumably now reasoning training, who knows what else).

Yep, but...

> To say they LLMs are 'predictive text models trained to match patterns in their data, statistical algorithms, not brains, not systems with “psychology” in any human sense.' is not entirely accurate.

That's a logical leap, and you'd need to bridge the gap between "more than next-token prediction" to similarity to wetware brains and "systems with psychology".


Sad as it defeats the purpose and spirit of libgen.

Being more concrete: I don't think they made libgen hoping the content would be used to create an even worse walled garden for knowledge.


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