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Are the arguments presented legitimate? Doesn't apt put the power in the hands of the distro developers and not the end users? After all they get to decide what is packaged and what is not.

Its all open source code so you can download and install yourself so I don't buy the argument about it being against the GNU philosophy.

Apt and snaps solve different problems. The only argument I can see here is the one about the back-end which is old and tired.


I am sure systemd will just write a replacement for tmux in the long run. After all they know what's good for everyone.


In theory, the systemd developers could resurrect systemd-consoled as a tmux replacement. It already had a DEC VT style terminal emulator, knowledge of these systemd abstractions, and Desktop Bus capability.

But as pointed out already on this page, that would be to miss the wood for the trees. There are many programs that are hit by the fact that they call daemon() with the idea of escaping being killed at the end of the login session and yet are still (now, as of systemd version 230) killed by systemd at (final) logout. The systemd developers themselves mentioned screen and tmux. But others have already mentioned mosh-server and deluged (ironically in the bug report that supposedly drove this systemd change). It will almost certainly affect things like emacs --daemon as well. The list grows on and on.

* http://askubuntu.com/questions/338135/

* http://blog.refu.co/?p=1296#comment-61675

Should the systemd developers fork emacs so that they have a logind-aware version of emacs --daemon?


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