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as a T1D parent, agreed, this a nonsense article and shows the author has no real experience.


"In my mind, they're hardly making any money compared to how much they're spending"

everyone seems to assume this, but its not like its a company run by dummies, or has dummy investors.

They are obviously making awful lot of revenue.


>> "In my mind, they're hardly making any money compared to how much they're spending"

> everyone seems to assume this, but its not like its a company run by dummies, or has dummy investors.

It has nothing to do with their management or investors being "dummies" but the numbers are the numbers.

OpenAI has data center rental costs approaching $620 billion, which is expected to rise to $1.4 trillion by 2033.

Annualized revenue is expected to be "only" $20 billion this year.

$1.4 trillion is 70x current revenue.

So unless they execute their strategy perfectly, hit all of their projections and hoping that neither the stock market or economy collapses, making a profit in the foreseeable future is highly unlikely.

[1]: "OpenAI's AI money pit looks much deeper than we thought. Here's my opinion on why this matters" - https://diginomica.com/openais-ai-money-pit-much-deeper-we-t...


Revenue != profit.

They are drowning in debt and go into more and more ridiculous schemes to raise/get more money.

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OpenAI has made $1.4 trillion in commitments to procure the energy and computing power it needs to fuel its operations in the future. But it has previously disclosed that it expects to make only $20 billion in revenues this year. And a recent analysis by HSBC concluded that even if the company is making more than $200 billion by 2030, it will still need to find a further $207 billion in funding to stay in business.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-partners-carrying-96-b...

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To me it seems that they're banking on it becoming indispensable. Right now I could go back to pre-AI and be a little disappointed but otherwise fine. I figure all of these AI companies are in a race to make themselves part of everyone's core workflow in life, like clothing or a smart phone, such that we don't have much of a choice as to whether we use it or not - it just IS.

That's what the investors are chasing, in my opinion.


It'll never be literally indispensible, because open models exist - either served by third-party providers, or even ran locally in a homelab setup. A nice thing that's arguably unique about the latter is that you can trade scale for latency - you get to run much larger models on the same hardware if they can chug on the answer overnight (with offload to fast SSD for bulk storage of parameters and activations) instead of just answering on the spot. Large providers don't want to do this, because keeping your query's activations around is just too expensive when scaled to many users.


> They are obviously making awful lot of revenue.

It's not hard to sell $10 worth of products if you spend $20. profit is more important than revenue.


back in my day we used to write code on punch cards.


Pretty amazing that a relatively small Chinese hedge fund can build AI better than almost anyone.


Yeah they've consistently delivered. At the same time there are persistent whispers that they're not all that small and scruffy as portrayed either.


Anthropic also said their development costs aren't very different.


And gives it away for free!


tokens per second is normally the biggest cause of latency, so amortized I would bet a decent LLM on the phone is still slower than groq/aopenai etc


they didn't say that, they said 3.8b of volume


where do you get the data for beer industry ?


This is from a study on politics and employment that found strong associations between left and right and certain jobs. Sorry, no link at hand.


no it would be weightless, as all the gravity would cancel each other out.


This isn't really a debate is it ? You like it for reasons other than value. OK, but its more expensive than other vps providers.

Customer service : if you need to use cusomter service something has gone wrong, and I literally move provider.


the flamewar was started by the post being flagged, your post is patronising.


Feeding flamewar is not ok, regardless of the provocation.

It always feels like the other person started it anyhow (and that they did worse); that's the recipe for a downward spiral.


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