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Yeah this reminds me of a thought experiment with Ethereum virtual machines. If someone writes and produces the code for tornado cash, publishes it on the internet as free speech but never deploys it obviously they are not at fault. So lets say they publish it and some anonymous person from Somalia publishes it to the Ethereum network and the nodes absorb the program.

When then is responsible for the tornado cash instance? The Ethereum VM node operators who have no idea they're even running it? An unknowable person from Somalia?


Most likely the node operators would be held to be liable if they're hosting illegal content and take no steps to prevent it.


Right now the node operators worldwide even to this day are running tornado cash on their EVM, including validating transactions to sanctioned contract addresses.


And keep in mind, the US Treasury has said that it would issue licenses to Americans who need to be able to withdraw their legitimate funds from Tornado cash. Some validator needs to be able to process those transactions, and would have no idea whether any particular TC withdrawal is licensed or not.


Well at some point it doesn't matter if it's worth it. Going from lots of money to not much is a recipe for divorce. Of course if you're divorced for any reason, the judge will impute your income at what he thinks you can make. So you'll be paying child support and alimony based on the "job is shit" high rate job and utterly fucked if you don't work it. You better be damned sure you're willing to work the "job is shit" job forever once you take it; the judge will make sure of that.


According to my state AG website, after Loss of employment/change in job income the paying spouse can request for review of spousal support.

(I don't have the stats for how often it is granted)


Almost 10% of 16-64 are college students.

A significant portion of the remainder 20% are stay at home mom/dad with no desire for a full time job.


>>> "Who's gonna go teach a high school class for $50,000 a year when they can make $85 to $100,000 a year... in the trades?"

I don't have the last 10 year data, but from ~2000-2014 the pupil-teacher ratio was flat and at all time recorded lows. This works against the thesis there is a shortage relative to post WW-II history.

It appears whatever teachers is paid, the feeling they get from helping kids vs building cogs for evilCo must be enough additional incentive to keep us near record low pupil-teacher ratio.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_208.20.a...


That's the thing though. Working for some highly bureaucratic and political organization (i.e. any given school district) where you're micromanaged by management but thrown under the bus by them when convenient, where you see waste all around you, you see bad teachers who play the game well rewarded, where you see all sorts of dumb stuff going on that is counterproductive to the mission of actually educating children feels a hell of a lot like working at evilCo. And if you're gonna work for evil, you had better get compensated accordingly. You either pay them in dollars or you pay them in intangibles (i.e. a job that's so good people will do it for cheap). School districts are incapable of providing the latter and the demoralizing work environment creates the kind of demoralized, jaded and poorly performing employees that taxpayers will not agree to pay more to creating a self-reinforcing local minimum.


The latest info I'm able to find indicates we're still close to record low pupil-teacher ratios. So teachers are working, and even meeting students in ratio basically as close as ever (post WW-II at least).

> demoralized, jaded and poorly performing employee

Ah this is a teacher bashing session to disparage the ones we currently have. Personally I highly value the efforts of our teachers and can't imagine making such a statement.

>Working for some highly bureaucratic and political organization (i.e. any given school district)

I think we're on the same page here. If you want to argue the idea of the institution of public schooling sucks, I won't disagree with you. That's why my jurisdiction has voted to allow you to use your tax money to bypass the public school district institution.


>Ah this is a teacher bashing session to disparage the ones we currently have. Personally I highly value the efforts of our teachers and can't imagine making such a statement.

Have you ever actually worked for government or highly bureaucratic government adjacent industries?

There's a reason the phrase "going postal" exists. The conditions at these sort of highly bureaucratic and regulated to the hilt employers with broken incentive systems really wears on the average person. Working for these shitty organizations (which most are, although there are occasional pockets of goodness) wears on you. Most people become jaded and you just phone it in and do the minimum because even if you hit your KPIs the pay is almost all based on seniority anyway.

Tons of people go on to be good performing employees once they leave this environment. Many who stay start a side business and continue to be jaded at their 9-5 work but pour all their real effort into the side business which at least prevents them from burning out too hard.


The comment you are replying to is simply bad faith white knighting. As soon as I indicated I felt violated by their comment, suddenly it was "different."


You're trying to stir me into anger by, yourself, acting in bad faith. It's a cheap trick which won't work, and patently obvious to most any observer.

If you had a point, you wouldn't need to behave this way. (As opposed to some other people who disagree with me in this thread, who do have a point, and don't feel compelled to do this.)


I think my point is made. You're creating a standard that even you refuse to satisfy.


The issue is you often find yourself there even when attempting to avoid. For instance, once I got a flat tire right as I went through a few mile stretch of bad town. The locals saw I got a flat tire and was distracted, took the opportunity to put a gun to my head. The chance of that happening while you have a working vehicle is 0% and few people plan to have a vehicle failure exactly at the wrong spot.


Is that of their citizens, or their population. Because The citizens have become more equal at the expense of taxing an enormous permanent resident and migrant work force who do not get the full benefits. The US and most other countries can't hope to have such a deep reservoir of foreigners to bleed dry in the name of equality.

https://d33wubrfki0l68.cloudfront.net/1b57c13c04baed2bc1c218...


Wow, you sound like the people in my midwest hometown who freaked out when the Punjabis came in and bought all our gas stations.

When you look at the desperate parts of the midwest, of the ones that weren't always that way, you'll find most of the worst of the ones became that way after all the skilled / rich people left coupled with other capital flight. Not the other way around.


Giving life or effective life to non-violent actors sends a clear message to criminals that they're just as well off to violently resist arrest, as their life is forfeit anyway. Seems like a poorly thought out policy for the enforcers.


There is no messaging problem here. There is no overlap between the type of person who creates elaborate crypto scams and the 80 IQ no impulse control types who violently resist arrest.


Looks like being discriminated against in this case is roughly worth the same as having a limb cutoff according to one law firm. I don't want to be presumptuous and say that feeling discrimination on the job is better than having your arm cut off though, maybe it does feel worse.

https://www.losangelespersonalinjurylawyers.co/average-case-...


Your own link gives lots of examples where compensation was much greater than $3M depending on the severity of the injury.

$8,000,000 Verdict: The plaintiff lost three fingers and underwent numerous surgeries to save her hand. A conveyor belt was detected to have a defect and caught her hand in it, leading to extremely debilitating damages.

$150,000 Verdict: While he was operating machinery in a school, the plaintiff severed the tip of his finger. Thanks to the efforts of medical professionals, the finger was reattached; when he pursued legal action, he was found partially at fault and had a 35% reduction of his verdict.

$1,200,000 Settlement: A young boy, age 11, suffered partial leg amputations after being struck by a train. He was playing on the railroad tracks and was caught. A Minneapolis jury was set to hear the case, but a settlement was reached beforehand.

$400,000 Settlement: A 45-year-old man in Minnesota was working on a tri-roller machine at a bakery when the rollers snatched his glove. His arm was pulled into the machine, causing irreparable damages that resulted in amputation below his elbow.

$325,000 Verdict: A man, nearly 40 years old, suffered an amputation after the cast he wore on his broken arm was applied too tightly, causing ischemia.

$5,000,000 Settlement: A man was struck by a semi-truck while on his motor bike. The crash caused severe damages to his leg. Despite numerous surgeries, the leg could not be adequately fixed, and was amputated below the knee.


Tesla-related example: $13M for lower body injury.[1]

[1] https://laist.com/news/13-million-settlement-tesla-fremont-f...


Yes they give all those, right after they indicate an average of $3.2M for an arm. They give you averages first so you can see the figures posted later are some better case scenarios (well for comp anyway).

Note: not legal advice


Values for work-related injuries are far lower: [1]

[1] https://www.yourlawyer.com/library/workers-compensation-body...


These are workers' comp, not lawsuits. They have nothing to do with this thread.


Maybe someone with experience here can chime in, but my gut tells me those must be the worker's compensation insurance payout for the limb and the lawyer was including the surrounding lawsuit which would litigate the neglect resulting in the loss of limb.


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