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Okay, let's stipulate that anyone with an opinion that differs from yours has no moral compass. What next? Do we disenfranchise them? Kill them? Sterilize them and their children and wait it out?

Your attitude is disgusting on a number of levels, but my favorite one is how it leads to nothing useful at all.


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I am happy to have offended you. Your thinking doesn't deserve to sit tranquilly.


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Are you trying to equate my distaste for your reasoning with sexual assault? This makes me assume that you're trolling, but I can't imagine to what end.


Looks like you are good man with strong ideals. As they say Sxxx happens and one should be able to deal with it. You should be proud that majority voted for Clinton(25.6%) than Trump(25.5%). Sad part is, almost 46.9% of eligible voters didn't even vote. What Trump said cant be trivialized and you are quite aware that even republicans hated what Trump said. But at the same time, one should recognize that democracy works only when everyone participates. A few swing state voters don't represent all of USA. You can rest assured that this nation has enough good folks and strong institutions that wont let anyone including Presidents go against the constitution.


He's certainly said more interesting things than you. The world does not need more boring people.


His ideal form of government is minimal enough that voting is superfluous. That you infer nefarious motive speaks not at all to what was actually implied.


His ideal form of government is minimal enough that voting is superfluous.

What about the vote to set it up in the first place?


Who do you think voted to start the US government?


Well, it was started via the initiation of force. Which is one of only two sins in libertarianism, so if someone is a consistent libertarian they can't advocate for that as the way to get going.


The revolution came about first, but the United States government was enacted by a vote of the second continental congress, formed of delegates from the thirteen colonies.

What I'm getting at is that the rulers of the new government voted to start it. That's pretty much what I'd expect from any government.


The rulers voted to start it. That's convenient. I vote myself ruler! Now do you plan to obey the laws I make?

(and no, "the people were the rulers" doesn't count, given how many of the people weren't considered "the people" at the time)


Save your call for solidarity for people who aren't in an industry where exceptional individual achievement matters this much. I'm not interested in being saddled like a horse to carry a bunch of can't-dos who should be encouraged to find something they aren't dragging down. Solidarity is for line workers who want to be lazy.


That's what I'm trying to do - keep the can't-dos from acquiescing to management demands in a way that makes effective people look lazy. It's the marginally-employed that are the least able to resist management demands for working more hours. If they work more hours than you do, then you're either working more hours for no gain, or you wind up looking like someone who isn't putting in as much effort as others.

Management expectations are a resource we all share, and that includes you. Yes, solidarity helps the lazy. It also helps the hard-working.


I'm ever curious about this topic - what do you define as innovation?


Innovation means doing something new, doesn't it?

The last Apple-ish innovation I saw out of Apple was that "magic" touch-pad that just feels like you're pressing it down, even though you are not.

What they have done recently with the new Macbook Pro and iPhone 7 does not really qualify as "innovation" - they have reduced functionality (CPU power/battery and headphone jack, respectively) - and in turn made the goods thinner and prettier.

Some people might say that OLED display they installed on top of the keyboard instead of old-school function keys might be an innovation. I disagree - it's not functional (it changes over time, non-newbies don't look at the keyboard, it kills muscle-memory), but it's so, so, pretty. Hence it's another step towards a piece of jewelry rather than something that just works.


Yvon Chouinard is the owner of the clothing company Patagonia and knows something about innovation. (He has revolutionized the outdoor industry many times over.)

His definition of "invention" is that it is the creation of something new.

His definition of "innovation" is that it is the application of invention to solve a problem. Patagonia did not invent wicking polyester fibers. But they used them to make the first wicking polyester long underwear, which radically changed how people thought about long underwear for outdoor sports.

This definition works great for Apple too. They don't invent much. But they innovate a lot. And yes the touch bar counts, even if you don't like it.


>Innovation means doing something new, doesn't it?

In the consumer space innovation means putting something in the market in a novel way (and especially one that matters to people). Not discovering something from scratch, consumer electronics are not about basic research.

I.e. we had tons of mp3 players before the iPod, but it was how it was put together that made it better (for the millions who increasingly adopted it).

>The last Apple-ish innovation I saw out of Apple was that "magic" touch-pad that just feels like you're pressing it down, even though you are not.

They design their own industry leading chips and logic boards for the iPhone and Apple Watch, they do haptic engines, they did novel engineering to water-proof the watch, the work with new materials all the time, they put out new enhanced gamut displays, they have a great new wireless audio processor they designed, they created and put out a new graphics API and a whole new programming language (Swift), and several other things besides, all in the span of the last 5 years.

>I disagree - it's not functional (it changes over time, non-newbies don't look at the keyboard, it kills muscle-memory

It's like expensive professional touch control boards -- it can greatly enhance productivity for lots of professional domains, from mixing colors for paint apps to skipping frames in a NLE or applying filters (multitouch too) through sliders in a DAW, etc.

It's also a fully programmable secondary multi-touch display, tons of things can be done with it per app. Muscle memory is still retained as long as the virtual keys fall in the same place per app -- same as keyboard shortcuts, that change between different pro apps, but pro users still remember each set.


dual rear camera that can achieve a photo effect (bokeh) that was possible in earlier smartphone


They did add an OLED touch bar that no other laptop has, to my knowledge. Does that not count? Why not?


I just added something on that via editing, sorry, didn't think you'd be that fast.


Well I appreciate your explanation of your thoughts, although my feelings are that it's far to early to be so dismissive of something people haven't really used yet.

I'll grant it may turn out to be a useless bauble, but I'm old enough to remember people saying that about the mouse, too.


I can't tell with this particular topic - are you making a bad joke or do you legitimately feel this sort of smug behavior would be helpful?


I'm saying if you've got a family so far gone they're doing lines of Alex Jones on their Facebook page every day then there's ways of getting them rehabilitated.

This isn't smug. This is fact. Facebook is filled with toxic garbage. Simply nudging people away from that and to something more rational would be a huge step towards civil discourse.


To me, this means Fisher's principle belies the notion that males are a cost borne by a species.


What is definitely the case is that hypocrisy is one of the "deadly sins" trump just demonstrated is mostly made of hot air.


In my opinion, hypocrisy is like cherry-picking data. It exists to validate your potentially false claims or misguide those viewing your results. Sometimes it's intentional and other times it is innocent. Sure, the results of the election shows that perhaps hypocrisy, at least the kind shown about the email servers, wasn't a deciding factor this time; however, should the hypocrisy turn into distinct lies and reveal any intended misguidance, I do hope it regains importance.


What you seem to be saying is that you believe if you shame people enough that they keep their views hidden, you've accomplished something.

I find that pretty amusing.


That's not at all what I am saying. I am talking about the same effect that exists with social desirability bias(0)

People just self-regulate their views depending on how is perceived in the environment

(0) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias


People self-regulate their expression. I'll agree to that as self-evident. Nothing indicates that their views fall under the same regulation.


Does the racism today against white people bother you? It's a genuine question, because the vehemence is cranked pretty high, but racism against white people is often automatically excused, so I'm curious where you fall.


No it does not, perhaps because I don't see it as a genuine threat to my position in life. I don't excuse it, but hatred of any kind is only productive to the extent that it generates action, so I see it more as a waste of energy.


Can you give me an example?


A comment I posted earlier today details one, from 538

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915950


Trump has expressed all of those characteristics. Labeling him and his supporters by proxy may be a stretch, but it's not racism. Call a spade a spade.


Whether you think it's a big deal or not isn't really the point - after all, do you not believe that, a person who expresses some racist belief, even a true one, about (for instance) a Mexican person feels just as justified in the belief?

You can argue about who is actually justified for feeling what, but crucially, the only impact it ends up having is to further embed the feelings. In other words, it is not a solution to these problems, it is a cause.


The red herring is the slavery argument your political masters have fed you to keep you happily allowing massive power consolidation to an abusive apparatus.


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