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Again, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress.

Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups?

Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?


> Are we supplying arms to groups?

Yes. The US supports the monarchy, the Kurds and MeK. The CIA was revealed to have armed MeK (despite designation) and my guess is that they do with the Kurds too. The CIA also talks to the Balochi groups as well although I don't know how organized or armed they are.

Needless to say, "regime change" would in reality mean civil war like Syria or collapse like Libya.


The US has spent a lot of time and money on MEK but I don't think they are very effective. Or will be very effective. My understanding is the leader of MEK has n't been seen in years(is probably dead), and MEK members are only allowed to marry other MEK members, so the number of MEK members is way down from their 80s highpoint, and it's not getting better.

Yeah, my understanding as well. Seems more like a cult that the US got too excited about.

Or Irak.

The list of exemple is long enough, no need to add Iran.

We already had ISIS thanks to the mess in Irak and Libya.


Well, Iraq is not that simple because Iran has also invested a lot in Iraq with various Shia forces. Right now Iraq is trying not to get involved. That's been their news all day. Maybe that is a sign that the Iranian investment is paying off, or just that the Iraqis are tired as fuck especially after the first Iran-Iraq invasion and then them being fucked by the US.

You spelled Iraq as "Irak". Is there a meaning to this? I couldn't find a reference but wonder if that's somehow a meaningful spelling.

It's the spelling used by French, German and couple of neighbouring languages.

Romanizations are fashion trends rather than any kind of science or real standardized system. Other than those places with Roman-era Latin spellings like Syria, others have dozens of variants.

Yes it's how we write in french.

Yeah, he's probably French.

A plan? Actually there is. This is all part of the backdrop to end US elections. We can’t have elections in the middle of a major war. And if we do have them we must greatly constrain how they are held while we are at war.

We had elections during WW2, the largest war of all time; we had elections during the civil war when confederate troops were 30 miles from DC. An air campaign in the Middle East is just another tuesday by comparison. This theory falls flat on its face - it is not a reasonable pretext for suspending elections, and this administration does not bother with creating pretexts for its power grabs.

Ah, but whether it is a "reasonable" pretext/excuse for suspending elections is up to the media and how they want to spin it for the masses, to shape their opinion, isn't it? And how practical, that more news outlets are now owned by MAGA people. Furthermore, I will not put it past Trump to use any flimsy excuse to suspend elections, if he thinks he will lose.

The president has no legal powers over elections, per the constitution. Only states can hold elections.

Of course Trump and the GOP can try all sorts of voter suppression, which is what they're doing now.


What if Trump were to say elections are illegal due to the war. We need to delay them. And Republicans in congress did nothing. And the Supreme Court decided not to hear any cases related to it. What then? We’re learning the US government has basically no teeth to stop something like this.

It's a scary thought, albeit not a realistic one at the moment, thankfully. The Supreme Court has shown ample willingness to strike down blatant (and subtle, for that matter) executive overreach. Exhibit A is Trump's tariffs, which were justified by the administration to be legal through the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which allows the president to “regulate…importation” during a declared state of emergency. The Supreme Court found that the wording in the act allowing the president to “regulate…importation” was not sufficient to grant the president the power to impose tariffs. The wording in the IEEPA is vague enough that you could go either way, but the conservative majority tends to follow the Major Questions Doctrine, which essentially says that in vague matters like this, assume that the power belongs to Congress and not the president.

Meanwhile, delaying or canceling elections through executive order would be blatantly illegal, particularly when no conflict is taking place on U.S. soil. The case likely wouldn't even make it to the Supreme Court, but if it did, I have no doubt elections would be promptly reinstated.

I'm not saying the Supreme Court has a perfect record, of course. Not even two years ago, they essentially ruled that the president is above the law. But at least in matters regarding the balance of powers between branches, the Supreme Court is wary of the power of the executive branch, and that should certainly include the president's ability (or lack thereof) to interfere in elections.


Can you name something which can't be spun by the media or that you could not believe Trump would try to use as an excuse? If something is always true, it is evidence of nothing in particular.

Claiming this strike on Iran is an attempt to suspend US elections is exactly as ridiculous as claiming the last round of strikes on Iran, or the Maduro raid, or any of Trump's other previous military boondoggles were attempts to suspend US elections.


I've been trying to avoid the news for a little over a year now. I needed a detox. ... Is this true? That is, are there legitimate proposals to cancel or constrain the November elections in any significant way? Or, is this all speculation?

There's a memo out about nationalizing elections and there's the SAVE America act to require much stricter voting requirements. Both of these unconstitutional obviously because federal government doesn't run elections.

Isn't this essentially what MAGA argued during the fighting over the 2020 election - that the states should be able to run their elections however-the-fvck they want, and the feds have no right tell the states how to run their elections?

What, is the US Ukraine? Is it under attack?

When zelenskyy mentioned elections were suspended by the war to trump, in the Whitehouse while in a room full of media, trump replied something like "now that's a good idea"

That's an absurd stretch with no basis in fact or history.

Unfortunately, you can't dismiss it based on that. Most of what this administration does is an absurd stretch with no basis in fact or history.

The president said they should cancel the elections.

You must be ignorant - the entire republican leadership is telegraphing the cancel elections

> We can’t have elections in the middle of a major war.

Yes we can? Is there any provision in the US Constitution that allows delay of election because of war? We have had elections during most of our recent wars (Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan).

Trump could definitely try. Or pull an emergency card out of his ass. But it doesn't mean there is any provision for cancelling elections because of this 'war' with Iran (which they aren't even calling a war, but a "special combat operation" to get around congress having the war powers)


That statement was not on my voice, but the coming voice from this administration. IMO there is never a reason to withhold elections.

So, I heard Epstein started a war in the middle east...

> is there a plan...

probably not, outside of making more revenue for raytheon


Campaign to move the headlines from Epstein to something else, perhaps?

>No approval from Congress.

To be fair that's been the case for decades. Trump's hardly new in this.


Needs to notify Congress within 48 hours (and he did beforehand), and has 60 days before needing Congress to declare war.

Looking at the list of countries we have declared war on

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/declarations-...

I don't think it matters.


For better or for worse, the War Powers Resolution acts as standing approval.

...In a couple of weeks.

> No approval from Congress.

I don't support it but there's blanket approval from Congress from the AUMF.


This authorizes an attack on Iran?

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘‘Authorization for Use of Military Force’’. SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) IN GENERAL.—That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.


And when was that approval passed?

And it was the GOP senate that rubber stamped RFK, with only McConnell holding out because he had polio as a child before the vaccine was created.

Yesterday Trump's pick for Surgeon General was before the senate. She doesn't have a medical degree and dodged questions about vaccines.

But I have full confidence even Mitch is onboard with the stupid this time.


Pretty JSON not meaning formatting, but more "That was pretty JSON of you."

I wonder if the pardon bribe is less if your crime is something near and dear to the Orange King's heart.

Merrick Garland is tanned, rested, and ready to not do jack until 2040.

It's how we found Osama Bin Laden. CIA posing as Doctors Without Borders going door-to-door pretending to vaccinate locals.

They actually did vaccinations until they found him and then quit, leaving a bunch of people with only the first dose.

And a complete distrust for Doctors Without Borders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_fake_vaccination_campaign_...


>It's how we found Osama Bin Laden.

>The program was ultimately unsuccessful in locating Osama bin Laden.

Your cite disagrees


Well, damn. Things I read before implied it worked and they'd keep committing the same f*ckery. Like vaccine denial isn't bad enough already. =[

Or take the easy way and just assume that everything the admin says is a lie and can't be trusted.


And if tariffs don't work, he'll just defund whatever aid you're receiving or project you're building or life saving research you're doing or critical job you're performing.

And if the cost if lives or dollars or reputation is enormous, he'll still sleep like a baby.


It's cool though, you can probably get a few billion in funding if you "lobby" a few million to the right people. The tariffs exist, imo, primarily as a threat to induce bribes for loopholes (e.g. the smartphone loophole).


I have plenty of harsh words for China, but we know they and other countries are an ongoing threat so the criticism is why aren't we defending ourselves better?


Hopefully this won't become a tool for the Flat Earthers. =)


Might be a tool against them. Note that Mt. Everest isn't on the list. If the Earth was flat, all the tallest peaks would be seeable from one another unless a specific peak taller than one of them was exactly in the way.


We're actually thinking of writing a SIGBOVIK paper where we explore running this whole thing for a Flat Earth!


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