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> The earliest icons aren't recognisable enough as they're too illustrative.

What? The fact that they have a unique silhouette alone make them so much more recognizable than all the other versions.



They're definitely awful compared to the icons they're replacing. Losing so much identity and detail.


Eh not sure I agree. The former icons are definitely unique, but not consistent or cohesive at all, especially when viewed as a group.

I think these new icons will grow on people. There were similar negative reactions back ~15 years ago when Adobe switched to their minimalist icon style.


> There were similar negative reactions back ~15 years ago when Adobe switched to their minimalist icon style.

Adobe icons are terrible and should not be the standard. Photoshop 7, Illustrator 10, InDesign 2 were so much more memorable and recognizable than the lazy minimalist slop we have now. Even the first CS or CS2 icons were a thousand times better. The fact that the company behind the most powerful and popular creative software did this is unforgivable.

Some tasteless manager made a PowerPoint about "brand cohesion", got his promotion and ruined it for everybody else.


I think we fundamentally disagree about what the purpose of icons is. The point isn’t just to be something that looks cool in isolation.


Great strawman dude (and even if that was my point, they didn't cool in isolation only, they looked good as part of an entire screen of icons too). The purpose of icon isn't to look cohesive within a brand either.

Look at the new Pixelmator icon: geometric shapes overlayed with Bezier Curve handles at the bottom. What does it look like? Vector design. What does the app do? The exact opposite, raster design, pixel painting. What the previous icon signaled.

The previous Compressor icon: A machine compressing film, because despite the name Compressor is for encoding video files. The new icon? Sure with the context of the label you will understand it's something being squeezed, but what? And without the label?

The previous Final Cut icon was unmistakably a movie slate. The new one almost looks like a radio. Why is the pattern under the body? Why is it only at on the bottom and not the top clapper stick?

How are the new ones superior design? How does it improve on anything? It's forcing everyone to learn new icons that convey are less clear, convey less meaning, look uglier, just to serve the corporate interests of "brand cohesion"?

macOS Tahoe icons are a regression on every single front. I invite you to compare Disk Utility (where is the disk now?), or Migration Assistant (where is the notion of migrating from old to new?). And these are just a few examples.


But Keynote, Pages and Numbers are already free


Hopefully staying as such. I like Numbers, but I suspect I could totally replace my use of it with Emacs org-mode.


From the subheading: “plus new AI features and premium content in Keynote, Pages, and Numbers”


Seems like a great "opportunity" for Apple to pump up their Services revenue


I also use the Windows key, but even then the WHOLE screen animating and changing to a different solid color was super jarring and tiring IMO. I much prefer a small popup like they have now


There's also the issue of distance for a mouse cursor to travel to select something. I think the general issue is imposing one interface for every mode of input instead of options, so either select an appropriate interface depending on how the start menu was invoked (even if it's just scaling it down to a confined space) or letting people select the default however it's invoked. Yes that's going to be more work, but when we're talking about the largest corporations on the planet I struggle to believe they can't afford it.


Yes. The constant full screen color flashing made Windows 8 not just unpleasant to use, I was unable to use it since I literally got migraines after using it for too long.

Click on a pdf? The whole screen turns bright red for a second before loading. Click on a Word file, same but blue. It was hell to use for people sensitive to flashing lights.

I got special permission at work to stick with Windows 7 longer than the rest of the company for medical reasons.


The Windows 8 start menu is no different from Launchpad on macOS throwing up a grid of icons that takes over the screen. Except macOS doesn't have the benefit of live tiles to excuse it.


Yeah I never used or liked Launchpad. On macOS I only ever used Spotlight (and Raycast for the past few years).

The only redeeming thing I could say about Launchpad is that it did not replace Spotlight (unlike Windows 8 Start Menu which was a replacement to the previous start menu)


> The Windows 8 start menu is no different from Launchpad on macOS

Launchpad appeared for the first time in Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" in July 2011.

Windows 8.0 launched August 2012.

Personally I think both are inspired by the full-screen launchers of iOS and Android, and not by one another.


It's more a matter of effiency and battery life, and that's mostly due to Linux more than inherent to the Framework or its hardware (try running Asahi Linux on an M MacBook and just notice your battery life be cut in half).

I love my M1 Pro MacBook and I wish I could have the same efficiency when running Linux but I can't.

My Framework runs faster, but a lot hotter, louder and with a lot less battery life. But I feel like I'm supporting a good company, a good cause, and I love that I can do software updates without fearing that it fucked everything up like every major macOS release does.


> I love my M1 Pro MacBook and I wish I could have the same efficiency when running Linux but I can't.

No doubt. And don't forget Apple nailed the trackpad experience too. But I seldom need to use my laptop for 20 hours away from an A/C outlet. It's nice, but not necessary for me.

With that being said, I personally am going to start abandoning the Apple ecosystem with each device that NEEDS to be replaced. I'm tired of features being forced into each software cycle, and I don't want any AI on my devices.

I'm going to lean into Framework (or keep my old T480 alive) and GrapheneOS when needed.


I have been thinking this same thing… Goodluck! I would like my own onprem AI tho. And home assistant devices


I have Home Assistant running on an old Raspberry Pi and it is fabulous. Way quicker than HomeKit, and easier to tinker with, along with all kinds of integrations.


That's a bit interesting, because IME linux on my framework 13 (7840u, 61wh battery) is surprisingly very solid. Fans almost never spin up (even with a windows KVM plus lot of firefox tabs), and I can get 6-8 hours easy, and 10+ hours of battery life if I push it (without even using power saving mode), on native linux (Fedora 40).

Windows 10 in comparison gives maybe 4-5 hours of battery plus lots of fan usage (but lesser ram usage often).


No images at all please. Hacker News feels so good (IMO) in part because there is very little extra fluff. No images is part of that.


To be fair a lot of garments from Issey Miyake are made from similar material.


What is your app? Would love to try it out to get a feel for the experience.


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