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I will never stop finding it hilarious how quickly progressives run to racial crime statistics and hold demographic breakdowns of violence sacrosanct when it comes to dogs breeds.


With humans, we first thought "let's give all people equal rights" and then "let's stop discriminating against people who used to not have those rights", not the other way around...

Can't believe I need to remind you, but humans still actually own dogs, like property. And wait till you hear what some humans do to other animals and sea creatures. Apparently humanity collectively decided it will not treat animals like humans so here we are. If you go vegan and propose a plan to ban all that injustice maybe some will agree with you. But otherwise there's much worse stuff than "dog racial crime statistics" to think about, stuff we do to animals that don't even murder us unlike these dogs


There is no contradiction if you do not think a dog should have the same rights as a human.


Progressives are against dog breed bans because of ^^^, which is absolutely wild to me.

Humans are different than dogs! Believe it or not!


Im not a fan of the premise that a small percentage of a population being responsible for an outsized percentage of violence is a result of their breeding. It's the environment and socialization factors that drive this.


> It's the environment and socialization factors that drive this.

Then why is it overwhelmingly this breed that attacking people?

We accept that certain breeds have innate instincts and traits - border collies herd, labradors retrieve, greyhounds run, pointers point, small terriers chase - but you argue that this breed of dog that was (when you trace its lineage [1]) originally bred to bring down bulls and be aggressive and fight can't possibly be aggressive because of its breed?

It's been recently reported that half of all of these XL Bully dogs in the UK are descended from a single dog called "Killer Kimbo" which itself was inbred [2] and its first and second generation offspring were responsible for killing a 4 year old child and a grown man respectively.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bully#History

2 - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/14/britains-xl-bull...


Fact remains these dogs are literally killing people; over 50% of deaths in recent years.

I don't care one iota if it's "breeding" or "environment and socialization factors" or "CIA dog mind control"; this is a problem and these people remain dead.


It's time to stop spreading this false narrative. It's genuinely baffling how many people will disregard hard evidence and statistics simply because it doesn't fit their world view.


> Having to serve as a slave in that system should be illegal.

Good luck with that. Legal slavery is literally codified into our bill of rights.


It's a nitpick, but that's not in the bill of rights, if you're referring to the 13th amendment. ("Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted")

Of course, the fifth amendment can be construed to take away any right as long as there's due process (which is why the state can take away 2nd amendment rights from felons)

"...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."


It’s hard to believe this couldn’t be amended given how unjust it is.

I guess the fact that it hasn’t been amended shows everyone how expendable they truly are.


During my commute I watch a homeless guy in my town walk 2 miles with a limp everyday to the spot he panhandles. There may be more to it than walking.


The opinion that I believe s most close to the truth re: favors for donations, is that politicians value constancy and dependability more than short term cash injections. One needs to be playing the game for decades before you can start earning 'get out of jail' type favors.


Why post this instead of reading the actual post?


I don't want to get that involved.


Yes, honourable politicians get their kickbacks through book deals, inflated speaking fees, and brilliantly timed stock deals. Having a business owner with a transparent revenue source is far less preferable to an honourable politician who's family gets legitimately deserved board seats on foreign energy corporations.


> Yes, honourable politicians get their kickbacks through book deals, inflated speaking fees, and brilliantly timed stock deals.

False dilemma.


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And? The two are not exclusive problems, one can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Saying nothing is hypocritical and blaming only one side is tribalistic.


Those are not the exclusive range of options, so presenting it that way is a bad argument.


It's worth noting that when a VC says "there's no money in X", their definition of what constitutes "money" is very different from a normal persons. It's more accurate to say "there are no wildly market-inefficient profit margins to capitalize on and make hundreds of millions from in tools".


If anybody here is suddenly considering a startup in the PoS industry, please just turn around and run as fast as you can in the other direction. It's an endless pit of hell.


Using the USA as an example of labor distribution in this regard is disingenuous. Like most leading countries, we are supported by an external labor class operating extremely cheaply and exporting critical goods into our system. Agriculture work in the USA would be much more prevalent if 13% of the Mexican population wasn't directly involved in agriculture. In fact ~78% of Mexico's exports go to the USA. Its a vassal state, supplying the USA with cheap and largely unregulated human labor critical for our subsistence. You say we optimized our work, I say we imported $40 Billion in food from China last year.


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