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You are diagnosing and recommending medical treatment to a complete stranger based on a comment on an internet forum.

Worse, you're doing so with all the experience and wisdom of an avid googler of nootropics.

Getting shitfaced on beer and Scotch works for some people as they self-medicate their social anxiety. For some people that turns from harmless social drinking to alcoholism and can destroy their lives.

In this particular case, excessive energy drink consumption (I personally tend to self-medicate with coffee to avoid the sugar in red bulls) can lead to heart attacks, high blood pressure and associated complications.

"Taurine is involved in a number of crucial physiological processes. However, its role in these processes is not clearly understood and the influence of high taurine doses on these processes is uncertain"

L-Theanine has more studies and is slightly better understood, but there still have not been full human trials and studies sufficient for you to provide medial information to a stranger.

Advancing a supplement as a cure can be harmful even if the supplement is harmless. If a person takes it for a cure instead of, say, talking to a therapist/doctor/psychologist, they could be missing out on an approach that actually DOES help. You may be familiar with Steve Jobs who delayed medical treatment for his cancer in an effort to use "alternative" cures.


> For some people that turns from harmless social drinking to alcoholism and can destroy their lives.

What I'd give to go back five years and slap 20-year old me around...

I've turned my life around but I have zero friends to show for it- and I don't blame them.


Hey, you know what, it goes both ways.

Just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean that it's safe and effective. And, conversely, just because something isn't approved by the FDA doesn't mean it isn't safe and effective.

There isn't something magical about a clinical trial that suddenly removes all doubt about a substance. And this magical government agency isn't infallible, and has frankly made mistakes, some of them pretty major, in the past.

Let me share something with you. I've been suffering from severe RSI for close to 13 years. I've seen about five different doctors; I've had nerve conduction tests; I've had three rounds of physical therapy. Nothing works. I keep going back to the doctor, and they keep assigning physical therapy. Do you know why? Because, it's the only approved treatment that they can offer. Most of the doctors that I've seen refuse to even talk about anything else.

So I go out on my own, and I do some research, and I start trying things. Some herbal supplements, some alternative treatments. And you know what? This thing called trigger point massage therapy, in the span of about four months, improved my symptoms about 80%. I also found that B vitamin supplements helped with the nerve tingling issues. And that was several years ago and I'm still almost completely functional.

If I listened to people like you, I'd still be practically incapacitated and unable to support myself.

I think he's probably intelligent enough to look into any suggestions himself. After all, that's why people have ultimate control over their medical care. You're just being closed minded and pedantic, and your lecture on medical ethics is naïve.

So, if I may, get off your fucking high horse.

It's not like I'm telling this guy to go cut his left arm off. I'm basically doing the equivalent of telling him to go drink a bunch of cups of green tea and try a supplement of a compound that's so safe that it's approved for human consumption without a prescription. If it was dangerous, your precious FDA would yank it off the shelves in five minutes, right?

And if he tries my suggestion and it relieves his symptoms, even a little bit (even if it's placebo), then it's worth it. By all means, go see a doctor, but don't assume that doctors are all-knowing and all powerful and they are aware of and can prescribe the perfect treatment for your illness.

/edit I'll add that this is what happens when you leave mental health treatment exclusively to doctors. Hammer; nail, indeed. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/23/study-two...


> So, if I may, get off your fucking high horse.

You asked why the down-votes, but clearly didn't parse what I wrote.

I made no statements as to the efficacy of your proposed remedy, just that the problem is giving medical advice is dangerous, even if the substance is ultimately harmless (or even beneficial!).

There's nothing wrong with pursuing your own treatments, and I'm glad you've found things that work for you. I don't wish RSI on anyone.

It is, however, extremely wrong to give medical advice to strangers based on a single comment on an internet forum. You know virtually nothing about the individual, their symptoms or really anything at all about the specifics of the situation at hand.

Experts will want to know more about the specifics before providing advice. Fools tread where angels fear to go.

I'm sure you're in an expert in something. Whatever it is, think about the people who think they're experts in that from reading a wikipedia or newspaper article. Or heck, the newbies just starting out learning about that something. They are almost always so confident that they know the answer and share it with everyone around them. That confidence can be endearing and usually nothing horrible in consequences.

Not in the case of people's health. Consequences are too severe.


But should not people know what exists?, similar to the case above i had/have severe sinus almost blocked all of em. But symptoms are veery mild but all the english medical doctors (Allopathic) mentioned was that i need to go for surgey many of them not even willing try longer one week medicine where i had great releif with something like naso clear. But they would not try anything else but recommend surgery and tell me that it is not permenant cure??... so based on recommendation i tried Homeo it work only when take medicine and i did not like the achohol or similar substance in those medicines so tried Ayurvehda (did not want Siddha due to diet restriction) and took a 10 day message etc in ayuvedha medical college ($250 for 10 days can u beleive in with 2 bed and flat tv in room and neat and clean)... now i feel far beter... and have no headaches and can sleep well... yeah i think it is ok recommend but receiver should verify or go to experts


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I just want to say this is an excellent comment and puts into words what I was thinking.


I find the idea of providing mental health to people as a startup somewhere between horrifying and intriguing.

They are essentially offering to provide a doctor-patient relationship with "coaches" to make it so that "in just 12 weeks, you can lead the life you deserve".

I suspect no serious practitioner would be willing to state it quite that boldly.

Their copy reads like homeopathic/vitamins/magic/juju gobblygook filled with cherry-picked facts, figures, and good intentions.

On the plus side, the site has clear pricing information!


Except for the effort with non-verbal communication, I feel like I wrote this.

I read non-verbal communication about as well as spoken word. I hate getting just the voice. Phone conversations are the worst.

Here's the thing... other people really do judge you. Some people make everyone else in the room feel at ease. I'm not that way. Sometimes I can fake it, but generally people don't seem to enjoy conversation with me.

It's very stressful alternating between saying nothing and too much, which unfortunately makes it harder to practice this skill of conversation that some people just find so easy.


generally people don't seem to enjoy conversation with me

Based on what evidence? Have people told you this or is it your perception that they don't enjoy conversation with you?

If multiple people have told you that they don't enjoy conversation with you then... GREAT! You have data! Go ask them what it is they don't like. If you can agree that they have valid concerns then you can work on fixing those things. If you don't agree then that's ok too. You're being yourself.


Eh, in my case I think the problem is that I'm interested in things other people aren't and other people are interested in things I'm not.

In other words, being myself is generally the ticket to eye-rolling, exasperation, and boredom from others.

My trick has been to keep others talking about what they're interested it in as long as possible. That usually works well because it's fun to hear what people are passionate about.

Then again, last week that got me trapped in a conversation with a person who advised me to buy gold and bury it around my yard because paper money isn't real since we left the gold standard. Nice guy though.


If you've ever read How To Win Friends and Influence People you'll know that a great strategy is to listen while others talk about themselves. So, in fact, you're probably well-liked when you do this.


A social anxiety group therapy setting can be really useful for practicing social skills. For example, you might have a semi-scripted conversation with another person in the group, and then the rest of the group gives you both feedback. You'd either find you're better at conversation than you think you are - which helps with confidence - or you'd get useful practical tips.


What, and have to TALK in FRONT of a group of people. :)

I've not actually been diagnosed, and honestly not sure if I would be. The key for me will likely be just practice in areas that work well for me. It will make the work into habit and probably make me more comfortable.

Now to find the energy/courage to walk out that door to practice...


Just stop caring what people think. It's up to them to signal you to stop. Talking about synths too much and they get uncomfortable? "Oh sorry I'm just really passionate about synths and I can fly off the handle sometimes!"


Just stop breathing.

That roughly how the first part of your advice comes across. You are not the first and won't be the last. I bear you no ill will for saying it, but it's on the level of telling a depressed person to just stop feeling sad.

I don't know if I'm diagnosable as actually having Social Anxiety. Heck, I never even heard those words until some drug commercial came on TV, so I'm a bit suspicious of the label.

I do know that I see social experiences as different than most people. I've always been that way. Just a bit different in the head I guess. I like different things, think differently, and behave differently. It's part of who I am.

I'm very much the old-school nerd. The one that everybody rolls their eyes at when he starts speaking. I care about things they don't. I don't care about things they do. So it's work for me to communicate with others in a way that doesn't make them roll their eyes. Yes, it's a skill. I'm better at it than I used to be. I could probably be even better at it. But it sure won't be because I stopped caring. If I do that that I'd become an oblivious blowhard.


I can tell you're autistic just by the way you are.


    > Just stop caring what people think.
You know what social anxiety (disorder) is about, right?;P


It takes work but eventually the feedback loop from caring -> not caring will be 0ms.


It's not as though one can "just" disregard an important part of what constitutes the disorder, though.

It takes treatment, or at least work (like you say).


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