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The authors can re-license right, even for one (paying) customer? They could also pay for the promise not to sue? IANAL.


Only if the project owns the copyright or otherwise has been granted such powers in their contribution agreement. Otherwise, no. They’d have to get approval from every autho/rewrite the code they don’t have a license for to provide a copy that isn’t GPL.


I remember reading that it should be able for users to sue instead of the author, if they cannot ccess the source of GPL'ed software.


The Software Freedom Conservancy are trying to set that precedent right now in their lawsuit against Vizio for GPL violations in their televisions:

https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html


Yes, that was what I had in mind. Thank you!


I’m fact it’s only the users who have standing to request the source. The author’s have standing to sue for copyright infringement.


Not at all true. It's copyright infringement if you're not following a license contract, of which the GPL is.


The GPL contract only says you have to distribute source to the users you give binaries to. The only people who can ask for said source are the people receiving those binaries and the only people who have standing to sue when that doesn’t happen is the copyright owners.

That’s why you can use GPL software in your private CI system and not need to give anyone the source code.


Hopefully the SFC lawsuit against Vizio will set the precedent that any recipient of GPL binaries has standing to sue:

https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html


I see I misread your comment. My apologies.


I'm like OP, I feel like I paddle along, minimal effort, then sometimes I take some strong strokes and get many of the people that work "the wrong way" to paddle the right way for some strokes and I can continue on momentum for another couple of months.

When I'm not 100% sure I'm paddling the right way or management wants me to paddle the wrong way, I don't really peddle, I complain and start playing around with fun tech that I think is the right way. Then when the time comes, I makes some powerful strokes again (aided by the new knowledge from playing).

This is going to sound cocky but I feel that I'm pretty good at determining what the right way is, and that is the reason I get away with it. It's like I'm slowly walking by a wall, feeling where it is weakest for months on end, then I make one big push, it falls, things change, I make noise, people appreciate it and understand this is the right way. Lead by example it's been called.

To be clear, I consider the wrong way usually the ineffective way. Ie in our org many people write many one-off scripts, I always try to focus on creating re-useable assets following global standards. I promote innersource because it's fun but also because it enabled other devs to make my CI/CD pipelines. I'm lazy but I think in a good way.


> sometimes I take some strong strokes and get many of the people that work "the wrong way" to paddle the right way for some strokes and I can continue on momentum for another couple of months.

Welcome to management. ;)


I think another interesting aspect of software development is that critiquing others' paddling technique (code review) can be as or more valuable than just paddling yourself - it makes both of you more effective paddlers.


Because you didn't close that last tag I feel like there is still some double sarcasm coming after this remark...


Hmm. Now I'm wondering if it makes semantic sense to nest sarcasm tags. If not, they might self-close, like <p> or <li>.


</sarcasm></sarcasm>

<i>Felt like I needed to resolve that or we may never stop being sarcastic</i>


And 3, how many people are utterly convinced they DO work. Like with homeopathy.


I'm not sure I'd classify drinking and incredibly dilute version of the poison you have just ingested to cure you of that poison as an obvious intervention that doesn't work. It seems more of an obviously useless thing to do that doesn't work.


I fully agree, yet here I am with many friends that swear their kids stop having gum aches after applying some stuff that contains 0.5 molecules per tube of whatever. I tell them it could be their attention, the actual rubbing, just the fact that the kid thinks he's being helped. Yet none of them is up for rubbing the kids with water in a double blind way and making structured notes of the effects. "It obviously helps, everybody happy". Yeah, especially the manufacturer of said half molecule*.

(* I get that it means there is just 1 molecule in every 2nd tube, or more likely some tubes have 0, some 1, some 2, some 3, we have to take counting statistics into account.)


Funny story related to this:

My son, who was in training to become an EMT, came to me one day concerned that my wife had several small bottles of aromatherapy (potions?, tinctures?) on her desk. He was deeply concerned that "she believed in that stuff" and felt that we needed to stage an intervention. I assured him that I doubted that she believed they had any therapeutic value, but that I would talk to her about it.

Turns out, they were sent by an acquaintance of hers who was sending out free samples to everyone she knew hoping to drum up sales for her business. My wife was going to throw them out, but wanted to look up how to "properly dispose of the contents" and rinse out the bottles before recycling them. I just laughed: dumping the contents down the drain would likely be no different than washing them--other than saving water and time.


LSD’s dose is 100 micro grams, and that’s enough for significant effects.

I’m not saying homeopathy is valid, I’m just saying the it’s hubris to dismiss low dosages as meaningless.


Low doses in homeopathy are indicated by a p nummer, like p13, meaning 10 times diluted, 13 times. Which brings it into individual molecules per tube territory.


Isn’t homeopathy just a way to sell the placebo effect, for which we have ample supporting evidence as the basis for medical studies?


They sell placebos without you needing to give money to quacks practicing 18th century pseudoscience


Also: MMS, "cleanses", crystals, sonic pest defenders, fuel efficiency devices, zero point energy generators, perpetual motion machines, and magic laundry balls. <-- That's the abbreviated list.


I will have you know that since I got my tiger-repelling rock I have not been attacked by tigers…

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw


But do they repel llamas and killer rabbits? If not, I'll wait for v2.


I think an important lesson is, from all comments here, that you can work a lot less and get away with it but you need to excel in areas other than productivity.

What are those areas? Imho: Vision, providing direction, knowing when to be productive at the exact right time, identify well in advance what won't work, identify who is doing the same as you and working together or leveraging that work. Perhaps you can do very little until you finally identify that one core important thing and be praised for those couple of hours. It's a skill as any other.


Same here, I really recognize this. There are times I really peak. Most times I really don't do much. I don't lie in startups really, maybe I'll say I'm working on something when I just opened a doc and glanced at it. Which is lying, ok... But I do often finished the work in time, but just in very intense sprints.

I recognize a lot in this thread.


I wouldn't say people like us are lazy, I'm like OP but I feel like I'm rather good at peaking when needed and then identifying useless things nobody ever asks about anymore and just not doing them and getting away with it.

I have a pretty rare skill set, combining deep genomics knowledge, system administration (from my hobby) and software development/data science. This means I often understand our full stack which is super rare as a biologist/bio-informatician, at least where I work. Just by interest I listen to a lot of tech podcasts. So I have an informed, strong opinion on how things could be, and it's easy to fake it until I make it by echoing the podcasters whom I respect a lot.

Sometimes I feel like somebody is on to me which is uncomfortable, but it may just be imposter syndrome. I mean I did build nice things that I'm proud of and at the rare times that I am really engaged with what I'm building I find it difficult to stop and even relaxing to work on. So maybe at those time I make up for it? I spend a lot of time avoiding boring stuff and seeking out fun things. Also I do a lot things around the house during work times (laundry, taking a shower etc). I just can't focus for very long when I consider something to be not fun. When we were still in the office I used to take pretty long walks or go and talk to people in other offices around campus.

I'm also a huge procrastinator, ie, for my bachelors and my PhD theses I skipped 2 nights (or slept 1-2 hours) in the weekends before they needed to be finished and I just wrote non-stop. Pretty stressful.

I get very good reviews, and I like to think that it is because I indeed do the most useful things at the right time and provide direction and vision where needed. Also in about half or less of the time my boss thinks I work. I start a lot of new things but hardly ever finish, but one of my previous managers said they like that, they had a lack of new ideas and enough people to grind it out. So there's that. I find it easy to call people in my company in other departments and get them to do things or set something up together, that doesn't really feel like work, I think that also helps, most of my colleagues hate doing this. But if someone did something remotely similar to what I am about to do they can save me a lot of time that I can spend not working.

Recently I started working with someone who I feel like is like me, but does work 100% (or maybe it only appears that way!). I find it a bit jarring how well he can estimate my productivity and skills. Then again, maybe he really does underestimate me and I'm having some imposter syndrome, I've never not-delivered when it mattered.

Btw, nice topic, I often felt like starting something like this.


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