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> After printing the line, a popup opened and my camera was activated. The app wanted me to submit my information, presumably to decide what to do with me next time I enter China.

Was this on your personal device? I'm just wondering how it activated your camera. I would love more details!


Yeah that part is either just bullshit or OP gave the bot access to his camera previously, which is just dumb.


OP might have meant that it asked for camera permission. Or OP might have set camera permission to auto allow but then that is also stupid (more so).


I would not be surprised if they just activated the camera


The story smells like bullshit to me.


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An increasing use of AI is to gather user feedback. The Chatbot UI detected an error state, and then loaded a feedback vendor, who then popped the camera open for their interactive feedback session

I've run into this a few times, now.

So what OP is saying is plausible, I just don't appreciate their added and probably incorrect conclusion that it's because the government of China wants to do something to them


I'd suspect rather than interactive feedback, it might have been trying to let him log in with a QR code. "A popup opened and wanted me to submit my information" sounds like a login/registration form.


That is actually even more plausible than what I suggested.


What are you talking about? Why are you using imprecise language like "popped the camera open?"

You've run into a site you view on chrome/firefox/safari accessing your camera without granting access a few times now?

Can you give us an example of a site that does this so we can reproduce? Or could you retract your statement and clarify that you did grant camera permissions for that site previously?

Otherwise, you're saying very casually there's a huge bug and security issue that no one else has detected but you personally have seem multiple times.

I've run into people on the internet misremembering things or not understanding how the browser works more times than I've run into browsers allowing access to system devices like the camera without a permission prompt.


Popped the camera open is a common phrase.

Your frantic comment makes me think you're personally invested in this somehow, perhaps even financially incentivised.


> Or could you retract your statement and clarify that you did grant camera permissions for that site previously?

I never said anything about granting permissions. I can respond to your other points, in turn, but first I would like you to confirm that I am who you think you are responding to :) I am not OP.

In case you don't think I'm OP, then, well I was being imprecise. Yes, it requires browser/app/manifest permissions. Your paranoid and aggressive tone implies you're not giving me any benefit of the doubt, as I speak informally in a casual web forum discussion about understanding what happened.


Sorry, I think of HN as a technical forum where people prize precision.

I think that when you informally bolster lies of omission with your own imprecise language agreeing with it, that harms the quality of discussion and creates pointless confusion. I think you get less benefit of the doubt if you do that routinely. By your own admission you do that routinely since you use this as a place to speak informally in a casual web discussion where you are often imprecise or lie by omission.


Actually, I didn't bolster a lie by omission. I provided context as to what their experience might be based on my own.

It is entirely possible that they aren't lying. That is your assertion that you are making as if it's fact. I think it's more likely that they are unaware of what is happening. You didn't have all of the information, and you are making assumptions that are very likely incorrect.

Furthermore, it is a given that user consent is asked for camera access in most situations. If this is a concept that you need explained to you in every situation, then you may need to review your knowledge or competency.

Which is to say, if you need this explained, you should probably speak less and listen more :)

Anyways, I think this conversation is over. Your unnecessarily aggressive and hostile tone is unwarranted and I no longer wish to talk with you. Feel free to have the last word if you wish. .


That made me very weary about this service. But I like the connections they have with other trusted organizations like the EFF and GrapheneOS. Still sketchy though.


Installed! Lets see how this goes. I'm going through previous interactions I've had with people.


I use your service every day. Thank you so much


> Does it mean that even people who reside outside jurisdictions touched by the age verification craze will have to deal with all this?

Yes, it's global


Every 90 days? Wow. Can you elaborate on how that logically works? Like what about for doctors offices having your number on file and other similar situations.


My doctor’s office has my email and knows to use it. Half of the time I’m not even in the country where that phone number works.

I just buy 90 day prepaid SIM cards. At the end of the 90 days I’m usually in another country.

My Google Voice number is sufficient for authing to Signal, but I don’t give it out to vendors/services or use it for phone calls.

I never receive any voice calls to my SIM card itself. Anyone who would want to call me knows to reach me on Signal. Anyone else, I don’t need to speak to them.

Most of the time my voice conversations are in Google Meet calls, anyway. It’s almost always for clients who don’t like to type and would prefer to be synchronous instead of using their device’s built in dictation software.


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I have a lot of medical records, in three different countries. All in the same name, which is the name on my passport and birth certificate and TSA precheck.

I’m not exactly sure where you went off the rails here.

Phone numbers and email addresses are used by data brokers and apps to track you across different accounts, services, and devices.


People in my country are being shot on the streets by the government. Let's not pretend that there are not in fact malicious actors out there who want you hurt for their amusement.

You're free to make your own choices on life, but I don't like you chastising others' lived experiences as if everyone has a cushy safe life with a government working for them.


People in my country are being beheaded for not paying extorsion fees from the narcos. What does that have to do?

And believe me, guys over here don't use or care for your face ID. You are cherry picking a political cause and overreacting for social currency.

And even if you're not and I'm wrong... You don't get to talk about cushy lifes, amigo.


I like the progress China is making on clean energy.

I don't know how to put it, but the narrative around "cancelling out" (in the article, not the title) carbon makes me uncomfortable. Language such like this makes the problem of global co2 emissions seem less dire than it really is. I mean it's good work (not in the US) is being done on the problem, but nature doesn't care about "cancelling out" co2. It's just so frustrating seeing such a dirty source of energy being continued to be used.


We can hope the cost trajectory of solar and batteries continues for the next 10+ years as that is what most likely to make oil, gas and coal uneconomical rather than all use stopping


This sounds like an awful idea. Shouldn't it be good AI generated pages don't show up? That question is rhetorical.


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Yea, old server hardware can be super cheap! In my opinion though, the core counts are misleading. Those 24 cores are not compareable to the cores of today. Plus IPC+power usage are wildly different. YMMV on if those tradeoffs are worth it.


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